Home Users / Live Tv & DVR

When Plex First Released The Live Tv U Could Share The Live Tv To All Users.
Why Was It Switched To Home Users Only ?
Its Annoying Adding The Pin And Only 14 Others Can See It.
I Cant Add My Whole Family On It Do To This.
Why Cant It Go Back To The Normal Option For Shared Users?

Take a look at this thread for the probable reason why this no longer works for you

Yes Thats What Im Saying u Must Add Them As A Home User For The Option To Come Up But Home Users Are Limited, Yes It Wasn’t Like This 6 Months Ago Or So

Live TV was never meant to be shared beyond home users.

As that thread points out there was a version of PMS that allowed non-home users to be shared with, but it was an error that has since been fixed.

We It Was A Great Error, Please Set It Back Or Unlimit The Home Users, Please
To Me Its Pointless To Have It, It I Cant Share It With Everyone On My Network
Unleash Not Just Cut The Cord, :joy:

The nutshell view is that Plex doesn’t trust you to know who your users area and who can legally use your TV and/or recordings. They have created this artificial “block” to “protect” the TV industry even though the user could possibly get the same service with an OTA setup themselves or if it’s a family member who legally can view the content.

I advocated long and hard against this setup to no avail. I also advocated that if they must go with only allowing home users to make an exception for any client on the same local network which would seem very logical and wouldn’t need to be tied to a home users (but could be).

Trust No Need To Trust, Trust That I Purchased All This Equipment For No Reason lol. The Purpose Of Me Purchasing A Cable Card Is For This Reason From My Understanding They Know My Intentions Not Sure Legally Whats The Concern.

It Still Works Remotely With Friends As Long As There A Home User Just With A Limit Of The Amount If its A Legal Issue Anyone Can Still View As Long As I Set It That Way, I Can Still Share The Same Content Without It Being Live,

Basically, The Only Difference Is The Limit For No Reason But The Same Thing Can Be Shared Just In A Different Way If I Chose If There’s So Much Concern With Legal/Trust The Remote Option Shouldn’t Exist Then It Would Just Be A Local Network And No Worries About Whose Hands Or Need For Protection Ect. Witch I Do Not Recommend This I As A Plex Customer Would Be Very Unhappy Without Remote Access, Just Saying
No Reason Not To Unleash To Me If The Same Thing Can Be Published Anyway If I Chose

You have to realize where Plex is headed with online content. They don’t want plugins that violate networks copyrights. They don’t want you to be able to circumvent or broadcast the same network’s live tv as well.

While Plex claims to not be changing the “core” of the software, all these decisions being made are changing the core to be more restrictive in nature of what the admin can do and what content can be controlled by the admin for all it’s users.

It’s not “your media, your way” anymore but “your media, big brother watching you”. LOL

No I Do Understand But From What i Understand Copyright Shouldn’t Be There Worry, Its Not A Infringement To Share,
I can have a guest walk in to my home and view the cable i purchase
I can purchase a dvd and pass it to a friend
I can file share legally
Virtually/Digitally should be the same No Different then remotely
Plex isn’t posting selling me anything, What I do with my channel or chose to add to my files i feel isn’t Plex Issue, now ( Plex is just the building i standing in ) cant punish the building they will punish the person if Big Brother was concerned. I can understand if its a profit involved but sharing my paid media is to me my right and i love Plex do to they give me the option of allowing me to do what i want the way i want. why i say unleash the limits and home user permissions, i mean if trust was the issue create a policy with notice we are responsible upon abuse of service something idk lml hope this makes sense I’m dead tired

Basically, If There’s Such A Worry To Start Restrictions Due To Trust, Legal Ect, It Would All Come Down To REMOTE ACCESS/SHARING.

I Could Be Wrong I’m Not Always Right Unless U Ask My Wife :rofl:

Like it not or not, it is a copyright issue… Take NFL games… You are only aloud to watch OTA games from your local market… Now if you allow someone to stream an OTA broadcast of a game that’s not being aired in their home market, you are in violation of the NFL’s copyright and possibly taking revenue from them since your friend will never need to purchase a Game Pass subscription to see games that are not in his local market… I’m sure there are other cases as well… It doesn’t help PLEX’s business model when they knowingly and continue to be a tool for copyright infringement… Hence the reason not to allow it… The same thing with certain plug-ins and part of the reason for their removal I believe…

Totally agree with you and so do many other admins. Plex doesn’t see it our way. They have taken the stance of Big Brother on this one. They only want to allow live TV to home accounts (regardless if home users fit your situation or not).

LOL, You’re only wrong as long as you stay married. I used to be wrong a lot, but now I’m usually right. :slight_smile:

Well this isn’t entirely true but I understand what you are trying to say. Had you said you are only allowed to view your “home market” then I would have agreed. If you are sharing these streams with non-household members then that is “broadcasting”. So I agree and disagree. Let me try to expand.

From a legal standpoint if you live in the Phila market and happen to be on vacation or away for work and are currently in LA you are totally fine in streaming your local media TV to yourself. If you happen to be a Comcast Xfinity customer you can do exactly this through their web portal. I’m still a “Phila” GEO customer no matter where I happen to be located when watching it because that is where I have service.

If you’re a TIVO customer you can stream your content remotely to where ever you may be. There is a BIG distinction between a BROADCAST and PERSONAL USE.

Here’s an interesting one for you. My daughter just graduated from the University of Pittsburgh ¶ and is now working on post graduate degree in Virginia. She is still a resident of NJ since she is under 24 and going to school. She’s still covered by insurance in NJ. Has a NJ drivers license, votes in NJ, etc even though she hasn’t “lived here” in 5 years. Can I legally stream my content including my live tv to her, yes absolutely because she is legally still part of my household.

Plex says NO because she’s not part of my home (no need for her to be), however using the green alternative server I can easily allow her access because the decision for all users is up to me the admin and server owner. Same as if I was using a TIVO or other software. This saves me roughly $100 a month since I don’t need to get her TV service. She get’s local channels from an OTA setup I did for her but all cable and local Phila channels from my system. No court in the land would ever have an issue with this.

Now me being me, :slight_smile: I now also get the OTA broadcasts in the Pitt area since I pay for her lodging and semi-permanent residence in that area and have a “mini-server” setup basically just for Pitt sports and games I don’t get in the Phila area. :slight_smile:

To take this a step further on GEO/markets. I’m in the southern NJ area (Phila base market) but due to the high gain antennas I’ve built and the tower I have I can pickup some NY stations for Yankees, Knicks, Jets, Mets, Rangers, Nets, Giants and Islander (as well as some games I wouldn’t get otherwise in the Phila area)). I can also pick up stations out of Baltimore which gets me Orioles, Ravens, Nationals, Capitals, Wizards, Mystics and some Red Skins games. Is that illegal if I can pickup the OTA broadcasts??? No of course not.

Same deal with the houses I own in Florida and the Carolinas with many of their local teams.

My point without dragging things on is that “personal use” and “broadcast” does not have the same meaning or restrictions. With that said if you use some apps like the NFL apps they don’t care where you live but only where you happen to be (reasonable) and change the live games based on current geo location. That in no way changes you legal ability to stream to family (household) members currently outside of your geo location. No court in the land would take a case like this.

It’s not quite as clear cut as it seems at first glance, and this is something Plex is ignoring. ESPECIALLY if the client is on the same network as the server!

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