@PlexLuver said:
I just don’t see the stupidity of this.
Why does the developer decide how I look up my movies?
The Plex Developers have made a number of extremely poor and often absurd decisions over the last 12 months or so but sorting movies in the same standard way as everyone else in the English-speaking world is not one of them.
If you knew that “Silence of the Lambs” was really called “The Silence of the Lambs” and so you would have to look for it under “T” then you are a better man than me and I suspect 99% of users… and that is as good an example as any why the standard method of movie sorting is to ignore “A” and “The” etc.
@kegobeer-plex said:
I think this is the only time I’ve heard of someone wanting The to be included in searching.
Here is another one. I always have to manually add “The” to the sorting title which sucks.
@kegobeer-plex said:
I’ve always wanted it the other way around, because I don’t want 100 movie titles all grouped under The, I want them sorted by the first real proper noun.
This just doesn’t make sense to me. By removing “The” from the name you actually got MORE under A, B, C… Why not just keep the original name to keep more oversight and structure?
@kegobeer-plex said:
I think this is the only time I’ve heard of someone wanting The to be included in searching.
Here is another one. I always have to manually add “The” to the sorting title which sucks.
@kegobeer-plex said:
I’ve always wanted it the other way around, because I don’t want 100 movie titles all grouped under The, I want them sorted by the first real proper noun.
This just doesn’t make sense to me. By removing “The” from the name you actually got MORE under A, B, C… Why not just keep the original name to keep more oversight and structure?
When I look for The Incredibles, I look under the letter I, not T. If I have 100 titles with The, I have to look through 100 titles that begin with T. It’s easier to search through 7 or 8 titles that begin with I rather than 100 titles that all start with The.
@kegobeer-plex said:
When I look for The Incredibles, I look under the letter I, not T.
Me too. I’m scrolling down to “The” and then I just ignore the beginning and look for the second word. Way easier to find for me than to remember “Oh I have to search for I even though the title starts with T”.
Just gives me a better structure.
But very interesting how such different viewpoints can exist.
For example nobody abbreviates The Big Bang Theory as BBT, it’s TBBT. So the logical conclusion is to search for it unter T, not B. Simply the untouched title.
If I have tons of titles that start with T, it’s going to be faster to scroll through the actual first real word to find the title. If you already look for I instead of T (in my example), then why put all of them under T? It sounds like you are already doing the sorting in your head, so why not speed the process up and look under the titles that start with I? You will have a lot less to look through that way.
Removing “The” doesn’t speed anything up. It may be a little bit faster when I search for “The” titles, but if I search for titles without “The” the whole alphabet is cluttered with “The” titles.
The amount of titles remains the same.
So for me it isn’t about speed (it’s the same), but about structure and keeping the original title.
edit:
When I think about it, removing “The” even makes looking for “The” titles longer. By removing “The” you put it in a huge pool with other titles.
The Big Bang Theory is now under 30 non “The” starting titles which start with B. So I have to go through them. If I go directly to T, I will only have maybe 5 titles which start with B after The. So I can find The Big Bang Theory faster with the original title in place.
@Wiidesire said:
So I can find The Big Bang Theory faster with the original title in place.
That’s great if you can remember the title begins with “The” but I would hazard there are many more people who won’t know the exact name of a great many titles.
@Wiidesire said:
So I can find The Big Bang Theory faster with the original title in place.
That’s great if you can remember the title begins with “The” but I would hazard there are many more people who won’t know the exact name of a great many titles.
That’s why an OPTION for not removing “The” would be great. I’m not saying that we should simply switch the current behaviour to the opposite.
I would like the option to include “The” as part of the title BUT when I add movies I just click the edit button and add “The” to the title, no big hassle.
I guess the ability to add it is help as lots of films, TV Shows are know to start with “The”, like “The Man from U.N.C.L.E.” which would be located elsewhere on the server or “The Outer Limits” in TV Shows.
People would look under “T” for them but they would be under a different letter.
I’m new to the app, but I also am facing lots of confusion in working through with library with “the” article ignore sorting. I can count numerous shows that I see problem with when someone goes in to look into with sorting based on anything after “The” article:
The 100
The Addams Family
The Adventures of Superboy
The Adventures of Tintin
The Big Bang Theory
The Crown
The Killing
The Law of Ueki
The Legend of Kora
The OA
The Strain
The Walking Dead
The Vampire Diaries
The Originals
The Young Pope
These are some of the many tv shows apart from movies that show up kind of unordered in the list. Every one of these would look under a different alphabet starting sort group, because “The” is being ignored.
In my opinion, developers did start of with a basic nomenclature but the Plex Product is universally used now, it wouldn’t harm if an additional option to ignore “The” in sorting is provided in player/server app. In all, it would only improve user experience for lots of users in different terrains of the world.
There is now a hidden server preference where you can remove the default The, A etc from the ‘ignore’ list
(or add your own prefixes for your local language).
I just added the ArticleStrings entry to my registry, and i left the data field blank, because i don’t want any words to be on the ignore list. And it still sorts everything as if the word “THE” is not there.
@pr0ndigy said:
I just added the ArticleStrings entry to my registry, and i left the data field blank, because i don’t want any words to be on the ignore list. And it still sorts everything as if the word “THE” is not there.
This affects only newly added items.
It won’t change the ‘Search Title’ on existing items retroactively.
@OttoKerner
You may have more luck “reporting” this to Plex. Removing “The” for sorting (enabled by default) should apply to other languages as well. Otherwise the user experience is inconsistent.
For example in german “Die Simpsons” should be sorted as “Simpsons”.
@Wiidesire said:
You may have more luck “reporting” this to Plex. Removing “The” for sorting (enabled by default) should apply to other languages as well. Otherwise the user experience is inconsistent.
For example in german “Die Simpsons” should be sorted as “Simpsons”.
You have it slightly backwards. This thread is about not ignoring articles.
Besides, Plex comes by default with a list of common articles to ignore.
But since it needs to work in every language, the german “Die” cannot be ignored.
Otherwise the “Die Hard” movies would apear under H.
@OttoKerner said:
You have it slightly backwards. This thread is about not ignoring articles.
I know, look who wrote in this thread last year
Besides, Plex comes by default with a list of common articles to ignore.
But since it needs to work in every language, the german “Die” cannot be ignored.
Otherwise the “Die Hard” movies would apear under H.
If they can’t do it then they should make it a consistent user experience. So they should make “The” included in the sort title by default.
