[Implemented] Fully Disable Discover & search results from Streaming Services (More Ways To Watch)

I for one would like to thank you ChuckPa for all of his hard work in bringing our voice to those who can possibly help us. For the record I do not want this feature on my server, but I understand those that might. Choice is paramount - we should be able to not see other sources if we do not wish to, like with streaming content provided by Plex, podcasts, etc.

Until this is all sorted out, everyone needs to chill out and have a beer. :beers: :smile:
Thanks again ChuckPa.

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Don’t thanks ChuckPa.
This is their fault. They are lack of communication with Plex User for long time and keeping to push useless function forcefully.

This is hard work just because they don’t want to rollback and hide this “beta” discovery function in the meantime.

Read the Plex TOS & the Privacy Policy, they have some pretty hard, & user-favorable stances on how your data is used. They specifically say that your User Content data will ONLY be used to the purpose of providing & operating the Plex Solution.
They even advise you to be carefull when using 3rd Party Integrations

16. **THIRD-PARTY PLATFORMS & NETWORKS** . 
Certain features allow you to synchronize your content across third-party platforms & networks. These features will enhance the performance of the Plex Solution & allow you to better integrate & harmonize the Plex Solution with information stored on or used with third-party networks. Using this functionality typically requires you to login to your account on the third-party service, & you do so at your own risk. You should always review, & if necessary, adjust your privacy settings on these networks & platforms before linking or connecting them to the Plex Solution. You expressly acknowledge & agree that Plex is in no way responsible or liable for any such third-party services or features.

You missed a lot of important parts there.

Exactly, Plex has it’s own source for Metadata, unfortunately there is no way to contribute to that source, But when Plex user your Filename to find Metadata it uses that to see if it has it. If, after that, the Database is smart enough to try to find it, then assuming it may be called for again make a record in IT’S OWN DATABASE for that title. That isn’t using your data anymore. by that point I bet the information about the filename that called it isn’t even there anymore, just the data about that title.

Not tied, it refences it, then releases it back into the wild. It only used that to look. I’m sure you’ve had things mismatched before. After that match Bweezy's Raunchy House Party.mkv no longer exists in the system, instead the system has House Party (1990) TMDB-ID:16094 which it thinks was what you were looking for, nothing else. If House Party didn’t exist in the Database they then decide to add House Party (1990) TMDB-ID:16094 not Bweezy's Raunchy House Party.mkv to their Database. & Plex & it’s Databases ONLY used your data (Read: The Filename) to do just what they said the` identifiers for your Personal Content were used for the sole purpose of providing metadata back to your personal Plex Media Server

See Above This is exactly what I was talking about. The only difference being that in this case the Results weren’t House Party, which is certainly in the Database already, but something that wasn’t there that the scrappers went out to find, returning something that was linked to a service, but didn’t have the tags used to restrict it. So again your file Bweezy's New'd Chicken Dance.avi didn’t return anything on their DB, so the scrappers found somewhere Famous Celebrity Jenny Eat's Chicken While New'd & now the data from Famous Celebrity Jenny Eat's Chicken While New'd has been added to the database. But nothing about your file is in the system.

I know I’m Troll Feeding answering this last one but I gotta say it… It’s not stealing your data. It’s the toll to cross the bridge they built.

If threatening to leave Plex over the feature because it’s not finished – Just leave.

No one request this kind of feature and also it is beta so why they shove this unfinished feature to everyones mouth and break search feature?

I’m not sure if you are referring to me as a troll but OK.

You missed the point of the conversation that related to my response wrt Chuckpas post.

That is OK. It perhaps got lost amongst the posts and misinformation.

Chuckpa made it very clear why it was done and the timeline imposed. Read his posts.

Also, the featureset has been requested before. I don’t need or want it but is popular with others.

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Sorry the Troll comment was just about the last one. If I wasn’t including it in a big post I wouldn’t have said anything, The other threads I was replying to were not Trolls by my reckoning

I really object to the ‘just leave’ statement. That attitude is a really fundamental problem - far more so than the half brained implementation of a feature which cannot be disabled.

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I mean I’m surprised to hear it from a Plexian, but I wholeheartedly agree with the sentiment.
Here’s why.
The statement “If you do this thing I don’t like I’m leaving” is 2 things, & neither of them good

  1. Coercion: Using Intimidation or Threats to force someone to do something or not do something they have a legal right to do against their own wishes & rights
  2. An Ultimatum: The final & ultimate proposition made in negotiating a treaty or a contract . An ultimatum implies a rejection will leads to break-off in negotiations, ending of a relationship or the cessation of the party from respectful conduct or consideration

1st, the people making these threats are never ones who have been engaging respectfully, they are pretty much always hostile to begin with, Most of them won’t actually leave, so their Ultimatum is meaningless anyway, & it’s equivalent to a Kid on the Playground saying “I wanna play Basketball with you” then getting mad because you aren’t playing Soccer & saying “You guys are being mean because I wanna play soccer. Fine If you don’t decide to play soccer I’m leaving” Which is never a good thing, but If you ONLY have enough to play with them playing you might agree to it, under duress, but when there are more people than you need you let them walk away. But instead of leaving they stay to play basketball, but every few minutes makes a fuss & says “I’m serious this time, if you don’t play soccer I’m leaving…”
So what if they leave? If they really want to play soccer they should go find people who WANT to play soccer with them. It’s like the idea that yelling louder makes you more important & your opinion more valid

It’s like someone getting mad at Netflix for not having Disney Movies & saying “If you don’t add them I’m switching to Disney+” If that’s a deciding factor they SHOULD switch

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All of that ATTITUDE would have been strictly avoided had Plex had an open call for beta testers that required a strict, but temporary digitally signed DNA that prevented these users from leaking.

In fact, WTF happened to their Round Table sessions that they use to do? From my recollection, those happened just a couple or three times and I distinctly remember being apart of the very first round table where customer engagement was pretty solid. There wasn’t one ounce of regret of having a Plex Pass at that time.

We felt heard, or at least that draw bridge was down, open for us to be on the same level as the developers.

For the past 5 years or so, things have been slowly declining.

Plex HASN’T ALWAYS had a commitment to that openness. And when called out, they tippy toe.

I’d call that just as childish as you calling out paying customers doing the same thing.

The relationship keeps getting tarnished.

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Appreciate the replies, @ChuckPa. Hope we’ll be able to disable Discover and the Search additions very soon, and in the same fashion as we can already disable Live TV, Movies & TV, Music and so on. I feel introducing these features without the option of disabling them was not the best move.

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I’m not sure this was the best analogy. We all came here to play soccer in the first place. The referees slowly morphed the game into basketball around us while we were trying to play, and far more people than just one person would like to continue to play soccer, the game that we all bought equipment and balls for.

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Can someone give me the gist of what I’ve missed from all the above. I figure we are getting an option to turn it off but just not anytime soon, yes?

@D_eight6 Cheers.

@ChuckPa Will the opt out option be another thing we need to find and opt out of or will it be part of the options we have already opted out of?

He said later after that initial post that there would be an opt out but Discover won’t be turned off as a feature. Plex is contractually obligated to keep it. The specifics of what all that looks like is still in the works and he asks us all to give them a bit more time.

@D_eight6

Thanks for relaying that.

We’re all waiting now while the teams sort through the details of “Required” versus “Adjustable” sub-features and then update the design on ALL the clients to reflect that.

Updating all the clients will be the hardest part because every player is different
There is also the clear distinction between which needs to be worked through:

  • Admin / owner
  • Shared users (users with their own Plex account)
  • Managed users (which only exist within the scope of the home server)

Whatever they do end up with must first pass through product and legal review to ensure contractual obligations are satisfied.

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Doesn’t sound good for “fast tracking” this if lawyers are involved. :angry:

Thank you for the update @ChuckPa

I couldn’t imagine how far this thing could go when I first wrote about my kid viewing “inapropriate” content…

I’m under the impression that this is one of the biggest clash between Plex and their clients.
But, even though there was a lot of anger, incomprehensions, even fear about everything that happened since the Discover launch, I really see your involvement and therefore, the Plex involvement to fix the problems and listen to their core base users.

I hope it could be a lesson for Plex to not forget that behind features, deadlines and money, there are humans that trust the compagny and that should be the most important thing not to break.

Communication (not promotion) is the key to have the healthiest relation between you Plex and us your greatfull users.
Just don’t ignore us, don’t make surprise like this anymore, talk to us, ask questions, listen to the answers.

I beleive you are here for us, and we are here for you.

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Covered elsewhere