The Paid for services? You get advertisements in your DVR? Those are called commercials That’s part of what live TV is… Or maybe you mean you are getting advertisements in the Intro Skips, that’s a real problem. No? So which Paid services are you getting advertisements in? The Lyrics in Plex Music? Your Downloaded movies? You must be getting ads in the streams that use your GPU Transcoding, I’m quite impressed Plex was able to do that… Still No?.. The Custom Sharing Restrictions for Shared users? The Limitations to Remote Streams Bandwidth levels? The Free Use of the Android App? The Webhooks? The Trailers & Extras & Theme Music for your library? The Plex Dash? Maybe The PlexAmp?
Because THOSE are the features you PAY for, nothing else (Well I’m sure there’s more I missed but you get my point)
If they start advertising spotify and itunes inside Plexamp I WILL go to war.
Good for you, and Plex, but I and the other people still complaining about it would use it and that’s what I don’t understand about your argument.
I hear you.
Just to point out The Discover and Watchlist are actually not on your server. They are a client only option. I’m not sure why people keep insisting these new features have anything to do with your own media on your server.
Tidal is also (as were Web Shows and podcast) and they could be disabled from view on “my server”. Your point being? And Watch List isn’t a “client only option” if I can’t disable it from showing as part of my media on my server.
Yep. I always use the Preview and have never had a problem with it. @ljunkie does good work.
Kids (minors) will find the Discover feature. Unpinning is not enough. An OFF SWITCH is required.
I’m pretty sure I’ve seen a Plex employee say they are discussing how best to do that.
They will name this request Old Yeller and take it out behind the barn just like every other request ever made.
I mean the 1st thing that comes to mind is “Bye”?
I don’t know how this is detrimental to your user experience. You browse for media & now you see that you have it but it’s ALSO available on Netflix which lets say you have or available to buy on Vudu, which you selected as a service you use, or also available on Amazon Prime, which you don’t use & didn’t select, as part of a subscription. Or you search for something you don’t have on your server & it tells you that you don’t have it, BUT instead of being unsure if maybe you got no results because you typed it wrong you are now certain you don’t have it because it shows up, but says that it’s available to stream on Disney+, which you happen to have, so not only can you watch it, on most places you can click it & have Disney+ Open to it, provided you have an account, the app installed, & are logged in… How is that “Detrimental to your user experience” & even if you think it is… You can turn it off… So now, once you’ve turned it off, you search for something & it says “There are no search results” because you don’t have it… Where’s the problem with your user experience? If anything you might now be like “Did I spell that right?” So you try typing it differently, say for example you were searching for WandaVision, which shows no results so you type "Wanda Vision" & now you see some results for Plex’s Free On-Demand stuff, which has been there for quite awhile already & everybody just ignores because it’s all free because nobody wants to watch it, so you try "Wanda-Vision" & get the same results, so you try “WandaVison” & get no results, “Wanda & Vision” & get the same, then you look it up on your phone & see that you typed it right the 1st time so you try it again & get no results. Now you know it’s not on your server… How is that better? & if you know what’s on your server why do you even use the Search? I practically never used it before. {Note that all those search terms I used except WandaVison show the show in the More Ways to Watch, even though it’s typed wrong. & just typing Wanda shows it, plus A Fish Called Wanda {SD}, which I have on my server, is shown before anything else, because it’s on my server, so it’s always given top billing, even if the other services things are more likely what I want.
I’ve done a 180 and enabled Discover etc.
After a few chats with users and friends that access content, the new features have benefit and if they can take it further with integration, even better.
I’ll leave my vote for the feature requested however as I acknowledge others may not see value and want to disable Discover and More Ways To Watch entirely with a simple toggle.
My point, which you missed, is that you do not even need a server to use watch list. nor do you need to have a server to use discover for that matter. If it were a server option, you would need to either own a server of your own or know someone that is sharing discover and watchlist with you. So, if you never click add to watchlist it literally does nothing.
It comes down to a simple question: “Do you trust Plex with your library information?” because if not remote streaming is just as much a trust as this is.
I think the problem is “Even though the privacy policy, Plex’s history, etc. show that they take library privacy seriously, I am worried about getting caught with the illegal stuff I use, so anything that brings it to my attention makes me uncomfortable”
Ah the appropriate response to the ol’, “I had a problem so it’s a problem with someone else, not my own, & other people don’t put my need at the very tip-top of the list so that’s a problem” response
The problem is that they setup Main accounts for kids, which the TOS actually requires to be 18 or older to use, & they think that because they’ve been able to regulate it as though it were a Managed Kid's Account they should be able to continue to do so. Even though it’s technically in violation of the TOS & the way the server is designed to be used. Having the ability to restrict what a Managed Account can do makes sense, because it’s designed to have the ability to restrict what kids can see. But they forget that it makes NO sense to be able to PREVENT an adult to do anything that isn’t related to your server. Plain & Simple. In an account that it’s designed to be used with it’s a HORRIBLE idea to have that ability on a Server level. For example, say Jim’s Dad has a Non-managed account that Jim’s Server, let’s call it The Golden Son is shared with. Say he also has Jim’s Sister’s Server, which let’s call Daddy's Girl shared with him. Maybe Jim’s sister doesn’t know that Jim shares Gorey or even Dirty movies with their Dad. Jim’s Sister thinks “My Dad would never watch anything R Rated” so she doesn’t allow him access to her copy of 50 Shades of Brown (Good on her). & then she searches for it & sees that 50 Shades of Brown can be streamed on, lets say Disney+ to make it more entertaining. She might think "Oh no, my super sweet & innocent Dad, who has never thought of another woman other than my mother would be offended to see something like this in his search results, I should disable his ability to see the More Ways To Watch on his account!" So she does. But Jim thinks that his dad is his own man & can choose to watch whatever he wants, because he IS an adult after all. Which server settings take Priority? & more importantly, Is it right that Jim’s Dad doesn’t have the ability to make that choice himself? But they don’t think about things like that. They just think the way THEY use it is the right way, even if they are going against the user agreement to do so. & They don’t want anyone to have power over them, but feel they DESERVE to have power over others…
Wow, you’ve obviously never seen an NDA, because that’s a pretty basic part of them. Aside from the fact that sharing that information is not good business practice in general…
@Tangs you contradict yourself there a few times…
So you like this feature, because it shows you stuff you might like to watch, not just what’s on your server…
Very useful… in the fact it lets you see what is available outside of your server…
So it is NOT in fact useful because you don’t use streaming services, so the entire USEFULLNESS of it is not there…
You mean it’s forced on you IF you choose not to turn it off?..
Yes, it’s useful… But it serves NO PURPOSE if you don’t use any streaming services… So Turn it off…
So let me get this straight… You want to be able to add things to your Watchlist… but only things on your server? Great, I have a solution for you. In each of your Libraries create a Collection called "Watchlist" Then add the things you want to it there… The ability to add things that exist on streaming partners is what gives you the ABILITY to add things that aren’t in your library. So if you don’t want that… Don’t use it. Simple.
Let’s get 1 thing straight here. You see them ONLY when you search for them… Correct?
Glad we got that straight. So they aren’t Advertisements at all are they? They aren’t promoting that movie to you? It doesn’t say "You searched for Star Trek but we think you’d rather watch Star Wars which can be found on this service" & it doesn’t tell you Amazon Prime 1st no matter what correct? It shows your own stuff 1st. Because you own it, or at least have it. Then it shows the ones you CHOOSE to be on top because you actually use those ones… Quite considerate. Then it shows All other services that have it. I’m confused where that meets any of the definitions of Advertisement… It’s not a Notice or announcement, because you ONLY see what you search for, It’s not Promoting or “Putting in prominence”, any server, because you see them in the order you choose, with your own stuff always at the top, it’s not Promoting by Publicizing or Recommending any particular movie, show or other entity, because you only see what matches your search terms, in the order of best to worst match.
That’s what Advertising is…
It’s not that you’re incorrectly using it, but you’re using it against the Terms Of Service, but complaining about how the new thing makes it harder to do what you are doing outside the TOS… Just saying…
But that’s not it… What you PAID for hasn’t changed… You didn’t pay for the use of Plex, Plex is free. You pay for extra features. Which are the same now as they were before…See above…
But you didn’t… Never… The "Main Core Product" Is, & has ALWAYS been free. You pay for some Extra Features… Which haven’t changed…
How is Plex Expecting you to pay for anything? What do you think they are expecting you to Pay for?
How are you not? I mean if you don’t have a Plex Pass you don’t get the Premium features… but that’s it… If for some reason you don’t like the new features & preferred it how it used to be… you can always use an older version & disable updates. You loose support because you are on an old build… but that’s it
I used the download option today on an Android… I used it last week on an Android… I just checked on an Android Tablet, since the one I was referring to was an Android Head Unit in my car& it works fine. What do you mean we aren’t getting it. If it’s not working for you it’s probably a server or client issue… If you have issues with that feature submit a ticket about it. How does that have anything to do with the Main program being free? That’s like saying You get free water at McDonalds, but now that you got your BigMac & it had pickles & you didn’t want pickles & they didn’t used to come with pickles by default, now the Water costs money… Completely senseless argument…
Exactly… So what you are saying… is… that the feature works… But YOUR system has a problem… … … & that’s Plex’s Fault…
No, you didn’t. You keep missing the part where everyone is explaining how the server app is free…
See, here’s the problem. You think it’s on your server… It’s not… it’s on the client apps. It takes up none of the viewing space of your server… If you want you can use an old version of the client software, then you won’t see it. & disabling it via a server is problematic as previously mentioned.
You are welcome to your wrong opinion… That was a joke mostly, you are welcome to your opinion, even if it is based on false facts… But you keep making factual statements about things, to try to add strength to your argument, that are factually incorrect… See above… So people are going to point out the flaw in your argument because of that…
Nope, nobody means that… Because it’s not part of the Plex Pass feature list… So it is NOT one of the features you pay for, never has been… Not even a little bit… see Above…
Good news, because it does not exist at all on the server your request is already granted. Now, if they add it to the localhost Plex Web then it will exist on your server, kinda, but only on the Client built into the server, so only kinda. If you don’t want to see it use the localhost server &, as of now, you won’t even see it anywhere. But I would recommend going now & downloading a copy of the current server install binary so that if it gets added later you can revert, & you should probably disable auto-updates & read release notes before installing any update from here on out.
I’ve been over this but I’ll reiterate. It’s not advertisement by any definition of the word… Read Above…
Statistical Data is not considered to be User Data. Per the Privacy Policy they can’t even say “Of the 30,000 people who searched for this today 90% were men” They can only say “30,104 people searched for this today” that is what they monetize, I assume, don’t know for sure, because that’s what their TOS & PP & Laws would allow. If you believe they are doing more than that you should have already uninstalled Plex, I wouldn’t use an app I believe isn’t following it’s own TOS & Privacy Policy, not at all.
You do have a solid point there. This Beta release was forced upon us. No doubt. & now we are stuck with it because of contractual obligations, which sucks to be sure. But Plex only came out of Beta like 3 or 4 years ago. It was being used by a lot of people as though it were not Beta for a long time before it actually came out of Beta, so, benefit of the doubt here, maybe they forgot that to some degree, & assumed most of the users were still those of us who used it from like 2012 as a constant Beta that was pretty stable, most of the time, & assumed the users would handle it, like we used to…
I think a lot of the comments are more about things like People insisting that they deserve more because they paid for it. I personally have gotten quite annoyed by those. I personally came upon this thread because I noticed it, & liked it, but saw that I wasn’t able to interact with it everywhere so I thought finding how to turn it off would show me how to turn it on as well. I learned that’s not the case, it was the client I was using. But upon reading I saw some good points, things I didn’t know, like Adult content being shown to kids, that I was mad about, but the original complaints have been assuaged, the fixed the adult content problem, people kept saying “We want to be able to disable it anyway” which was fair, then they were given the ability, then people started getting extreme, wanting the ability to disable the feature for anyone who connected to their server, which is super not cool, then getting mad because the feature being hidden isn’t good enough it needs to be purged… & the further down the rabbit hole the more factually untrue the arguments became. I still want to be updated on the progression of this, but If I’m going to scroll through 50 posts & see a bunch of factually untrue things used to support arguments, I’m going to voice my reactions to those. I may continue reading & see something I said said better by someone else, & delete that part, but just as you have the right to voice your complaints, I have the right to point out arguments with little or no substance to them.
That’s a good point. I appreciate that as well, even if I don’t agree with you & find your ‘facts’ questionable at times. I’ve been banned twice before in the forums, both times for pointing out factual inaccuracies with things Mods had said.
But that’s a factually untrue statement. The TOS & PP already outline what data is collected. So the complaints didn’t change that. Plex Mods just pointed out what was already in the PP & TOS Nothing changed as far as that goes, they were NEVER collecting the data everyone was worried about, people just were afraid they were.
I mean… Because that is what the Watchlist is designed for. It’s like you were given a new utensil, a fork, & you don’t want to be able to grip things, you just want to be able to scoop things. So people say “Then use the spoon” but you say, “Well, I want to be able to use 2 utensils, but I want them both to be spoons” That’s not the way it works…
Not at all… Those are completely different. You could say the Letters in a Library are a glorified Scroll, the search performs a much different function. Like if you are looking for a show that you know has "Bear" in the title scrolling to B isn’t going to help if Bear is the 3rd word. So those are completely different functions.
It’s not though… By the definition of Advertisement… If you want to make up your own definition of the word that’s fine, but when interacting in the world your personal definition means nothing.
You know that’s not a “Mantra” it’s a marketing strategy. It’s the 1-5-15 principle, & it has exceptions. If a customer has a bad experience they will likely tell 5 people about it, so that’s a potential loss of 6 customers, but those people will probably tell 3 people each about it, so that’s a total of 21 potential lost customers. So from a marketing prospective if the customer has a problem & can be appeased by an apology & a free item that is less of a loss than the business of 21 people. But that scale is always in effect. & the “Customer” is specifically the person paying the money. In this instance the Customer would not be us, but rather the streaming partners or whoever the Contractual Obligations are. So by the logic of “The Customer is Always Right” when the people paying Plex money say “Have it out by this date, I don’t care if it isn’t finished” Plex says “Yes Customer, you are right” & a whole lot of us, maybe all of us, would have to leave for it to balance to 21 Streaming Partners worth of revenue, especially since We pay either one-time years ago, or in singles, while those partners pay in Hundreds of Thousands or more…
Not at all. That argument requires you to not use something you were already using. The other requires nothing of the sort. It requires you to not use the thing you have a problem with, which you didn’t use before…
See & that’s not the case. It was an Account setting that you could access through your Server Settings in the Web App. If you have a remote user, or even a Remote account connected only to your server as a Home User, that user will have to disable it themselves. Because you only disable it for your account.
According to the TOS those Kids ‘technically’ aren’t allowed to be using a non-Managed User account… & all Managed Users can’t see it at all… Even if you want them to…
You seems to have a lot of time to loose trying to explain me and others what we should do or want.
There is no need for you to comment me back. Sorry but I don’t have time to argue like you do and moreover, don’t take it badly, but i don’t care about your opinion, I’m only interested in the Plex’s one.
PS : I didn’t read your previous comment, because i am not talking to you neitheir asking you anything, i just saw that you quoted me few times.
Not telling you what you should want or do. Just correcting your misinformation. More for other readers like myself who get annoyed when you say things that are factually incorrect. I never expect those who make up facts to read what I post.
Sure.
Forcing us to use a broken service. I honestly don’t know what the developers are thinking at any given moment.
I had Emby but a more recent update ruined the Music section so I tried Plex. It was fine, but now they keep ignoring what we want and adding stuff they want.
I might have to go back, but I really don’t want to start from scratch, especially since I’ve ripped most of my movies onto my server and added them to Plex.
You “think” the Plex developers “think” about anything other than what will make them money? I wonder if developing for Plex causes devolution toward the brutes. It is said the watching TV causes disease that makes one to lose IQ points. It also seems that developing for Plex causes the same or similar disease.
