Not Allowed to use Hetzner

Not necessarily. A thread about a topic should be a place for reasoned discussion of said topic, potentially with opposing viewpoints. Unfortunately, when the discussion becomes so one-sided that opposing viewpoints are shouted down as trolling, it becomes the echo-chamber to which I was referring. In this case, a relative handful of users all echoing the same viewpoint.

By way of an example, another user took issue with statements that Plex would be subject to legal repercussions related to their actions. When they asked for any substantiation of such claims, they were basically told to go pound sand and dismissed as a troll when they pressed the issue.

Indeed, it is. But further to my point above, a discussion is cooperative, and accepting of differing viewpoints. When such diversity is lost, it ceases to be a discussion and become an echo-chamber where all the views are the same and are just reinforcing one another. Said views being:

  • “I’m going to cancel my Plex Pass and request a refund; heaven help Plex if they do not grant it.”
  • “This action by Plex is obviously illegal in this region; heaven help Plex if they do not have good lawyers.”
  • “This action is clearly an overture by Plex in their ultimate goal to completely eliminate their personal media server offering. This has been their goal since they began offering free, ad-supported content.”
  • “Plex is lazy and stupid, and took the easy way out. They just blocked 2.4 million IP addresses and ignored obviously easier methods of accomplishing their stated goal because it was easier.”
  • “If Plex blocked one hosting provider then it’s obvious they’re going to end up blocking the entire Internet.”
  • Others I can’t be bothered with dredging up.

Everyone is saying the same things, over and over. There’s no original thought being offered anymore, no new ideas. Hence my echo-chamber comment.

It wasn’t so much a dismissal as an expression of exasperation of what the thread has become. Yes, there’s valid criticism and certainly the frustration is valid. However, the conspiracies put forward repeatedly by some are great examples of Olympic-level mental gymnastics.

I won’t repeat my points from above, but this appears to be a targeted action against a hosting provider known (by Plex) to host a large number of ToS violators. It was a drastic move, but obviously Plex’s calculus concluded that it was the right one.

This is reinforcement of my idea above that alternative viewpoints are not welcome. I’m no Plex sycophant, I can assure you; I have my own problems with them, mostly regarding functional issues (I’m looking at you, transcoding which is broken more often that it is working).

I wasn’t going to post in this thread at all; I actually wish I hadn’t. My original goal was humor; I thought an alternative narrative might bring a little levity to the vitriol already on display.

However, it was not my intention to detract from the one, central fact of the thread: There are non-ToS violators being caught up in this action. That is a shame and I wish it were different. Perhaps there were other ways Plex could have handled this.

But perhaps a small portion of my “fan-fiction” above was true. Maybe doing this will allow Plex and Hetzner to work more closely with one another to take down the offenders individually. I know the general belief in this thread is that Plex has every tool and all the information needed to do this already, but I honestly believe that, were that the case, that’s the path they would have taken.

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You should be good to go with 4k! 1080p (which is lower quality) is higher than their 7.7k 4k version. Have you also tried downloading to you device if your not going to be on your network? Chromecast works pretty well in my experience. Thanks for searching for someone else’s pic to prove a point
 I guess?

The $ in your statement reveals all about your location.
That $40 for the Hetzner is VERY easily covered by energy cost savings in the UK and most of Europe

I’m not criticising and I do self host myself
but there are reasons many in Europe would not want to self host.

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And what happens next is the business that was blocked contacts the business blocking them. They discuss the issue, and a compromise is reached where they agree to take action to satisfy the concerns of the party blocking them, and then the company blocking them stops doing so.

Actually it’s not.

A Plex pass grants you new features for your Plex Media Server and clients (like hardware transcoding, extras for movies, Skip Intro). Plex Pass is not required to share your server, or access your server remotely – so the price you paid for it is literally not related to this topic.

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Makes me wonder how much media everyone has. You would have to have a gigantic rig with a ton of ssds running non stop to get high electricity costs. My 10 year old rig runs great and doesn’t consume even a kilowatt a day. But I guess when you feel like being the media provider for everyone related to you you end up buying lots of tech to accommodate everyone’s supposed needs. Then you get high electricity costs. Granted I have just over 1tb of content. I mainly use Plex for PlexAmp anyway.

There’s nothing in the TOS when you signed up nor is there anything in the TOS now forbidden the use of a hosting company to run a Plex server. Plex is on a seriously slippery slope right now.

A legal one from both sides.

You think there can’t be real legal reprocussions for what they’re doing? They’re completely off the rails. Also on a very slippery slop in terms of what Plex is monitoring in regards to the general maintenance of their network. What exactly are they monitoring and collecting that they aren’t exactly telling us? Because in the US we have wiretap and privacy laws that service providers have to abide by
 which is what Plex is
 a service provider.

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Sure, good to go, other than the terrible quality that 4k will have due to being bitrate starved because that’s not anywhere near a sufficient bitrate for a 4k movie, as you can see from the fact that plex’s lowest 1080p bitrate is higher than it.

Unfortunately I couldn’t take a screenshot of my own media because Plex won’t give me a higher option than 720p for some reason, God only knows why, it’s Plex so nothing is documented or sensible.

I guess you better stick to your blu-ray player. That way you won’t be offended by inferior quality.

One or two, who watch maybe a few times a year. It’s mostly for us at home.

Not sure where you got that figure but it’s completely wrong. I get by with a €13 VPS. It can even transcode when needed.

And yes that is much much cheaper than running stuff at home. Not to mention preferable for many valid reasons, such as no space, security is an issue, etc.

The only reason this has become an echo chamber is because people who can’t/won’t understand keep asking the same questions again and again.

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LMAO, talk about a crock of BS
 Give me a break dude! Plex could have gone down SOOOOO many other routes before having to take the hammer to their paid subscribers
 For what it’s worth, I spoke to Visa about this today and they said if I feel as though I’m not getting the services that I paid for, regardless of how long it;s been since I made that paymentm, they have no issue with accepting a request to claw back the money I paid plex
 You can bet your ■■■■ I’ll be doing that if they decide to continue down this road


I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again; shame on Plex!

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Yes, I do think that. But maybe you can be the first person to point to an actual real law they might potentially be in breach of?

What do you think they’d need to collect that isn’t already in the privacy policy to be able to identify large numbers of connections being made to servers all hosted within a single company’s IP block? Or from doing investigative work to identify resellers and the services they’re offering?

And when Plex respond to tell them you haven’t paid for a service but a license to unlock functionality in software (which will still be available to you) how much further do you think Visa is going to take it?

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Can’t argue with that!

Come to think of it, HW accelerated transcoding hasn’t functioned fully in the last couple of releases. I think I’ll hit up Visa to refund me for my lifetime Plex Pass. Never mind the years where it worked flawlessly, or all the other Plex Pass only features I’ve used reliably in that time. I’m really mad at Plex, so I think I’ll punish them!

Now, where’s my pitchfork? I know I left it here somewhere


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Again:

I would suggest, that all (legitimate) users affected by this and all users who don’t support the actions Plex will take, should take the protest to the public (Appstore ratings, Facebook, X, you name it
). Lets hit them where it really hurts. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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It depends upon what you consider to be a legal repercussion. In the US, anyone can bring a civil suit against anyone else for nearly anything. So that is, in itself, a possible legal repercussion of their actions. Whether or not the case has merit is a different thing entirely. The argument that Plex restricted the ability to deploy and use their free product in a manner that some find onerous is tenuous at best.

But hey, I’m not a lawyer; they live in a different plane of existence from me where facts can be either convenient or inconvenient, and for either case can be manipulated to fit one’s argument.

The best argument I see available to most folks at this point is “Plex caused me inconvenience and made me mad and I want some legal remedy help me please.”

So, will Plex face lawsuits over this action? Somewhere between maybe and probably. Will any of these suits result in positive decisions for the plaintiffs? Somewhere between unlikely and “here’s a snowball, now please take these stairs down, until you get to the bottom. Lower; no, lower; no, lower
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Thanks. But that wasn’t an analogy. It was a concrete example of a Plex Pass feature for which someone might reasonably request recompense. I know it can be hard to recognize the difference at times. And, in point of fact, I am really pretty ticked off at the state of said feature at the moment, and Plex’s inability to bring it to a stable state recently. As should everybody be who relies on it. Being a paid feature, it should be much more reliable than it is. It’s almost as infuriating as their inability to provide a Steve Jobs-level great experience to those using Apple TV 4Ks.

An analogy would have been more along the lines of “I can no longer drive my 10-year old Ford on a road which has been closed because Ford’s navigation system says it’s dangerous and it makes me anxious; It’s inconvenient for me to take a different route and will cost me more in fuel. Visa, I’m not happy with my 10-year old Ford any longer. I’d like my money back. Thanks.”

Now there’s a strained, terrible analogy for you; that one should result in some head scratching. Primarily, it confuses services and physical products. But it also brings in issues unrelated to the sale of the product at all, like ongoing costs related to its operation. It also conveniently leaves out the part about still being able to drive the preferred route. But hey, details.

Suggesting someone is braindead is never a good look (if you’re not a doctor evaluating a patient), nor is sarcastically-stated, thinly-veiled contempt. Maybe hold onto it and offer it to the next worthy candidate.

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There’s a huge difference in a particular feature not working and someone having their whole system made redundant.

If you don’t see that then wtf
and I really don’t care what you or all the other Plex shills think.

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I really don’t understand the animosity. But, I’m going to bow out of this “conversation.” You win, here are your Internet points; spend them well.

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Nor did I understand the need for your sarcasm in your reply to the other guy.
Nor do I understand why so many who don’t use a Hetzner are even posting in a thread about something that doesn’t affect them other than to antagonise those who are affected.

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Or, they’ve clearly said: Plex hosting is only for those with large homes and great upstream internet connections from those homes. Yet I don’t recall seeing anything like that in the ToS.

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This is just the biggest ■■■■ I ever saw in my life.

A softwarecompany is now dictating the location of the server where I am allowed to install said software


This is the reason anyone should switch to other apps without central authentication


It should not concern Plex in any way if my server is running in my home or in a datacenter.
It just doesnt matter !

Block people which are violating ToS but dont punish all people


I use plex on hetzner for several reasons


First , this is my server for all my hosted stuff.
Second, I had a Server at home , but i wanted to get rid of it.
Third: Its cheap! Paying 30 € for a dedicated Server which has multiple Use cases for me is just worth it for me.

It would take years to even Break even on a dedicated Server at home if you consider additional costs like energy or Hardwarefailure.

And by then I maybe have an old outdated Hardware.
On Hetzner if I need more Power I can switch Servers in basically no time.

Here are the downsides for me to hosting at home:

*) It takes space
*) it makes noise
*) electricity bills are quite high where I live
*) I didnt want to deal with Hardwarefailure anymore
*) A Server running 24/7 produces a lot of heat as well

*) I want to access my hosted Stuff from anywhere , not only from home or with castrated bandwith

So now Plex wants to force me to move my Server to another location? It is just riddicolous, everything moves into cloud, but Plex says “No, we are only allowing Installations in your Home” .

WTF??

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