Plex is badly mangling import of a Music library

I think for the Voodoo Funk albums his tags really do include the words “Voodoo Funk” at the beginning, like “Voodoo Funk - XXX”.

See his Plex screenshot too. It shows the “Voodoo Funk - XXX” album titles below the images. Plex doesn’t add the artist name like that, does it?

@twsf, that’s what we both mentioned - it looks like the Album Title on the Voodoo Funk albums ALSO includes the artist name. Can you confirm?

@twsf, are all of the Voodoo Funk files organized into directories for each album? Although they’re only one track each, they should still be separated like any other album.

So the other day I was remembering John Lennon so I went to look him up on plex to play him.

ALL of his albums were tagged artist “John Lennon & Yoko Ono” Hmm. Did Yoko take over all the naming rights now or what is going on, LOL.

Come to find out that the album “Double Fantasy” (tagged Lennon/Ono) was picked first when the library was scanned, and that tag carried over to all the other albums in the “John Lennon” directory. I.e. the music scanner only imported the Artist tag for the first album it found and carried it through ignoring the tags on the rest of the Lennon albums.

Now, I can fix this in the plex web UI by editing the artist and it looks fine (although there is no more “John Lennon & Yoko Ono” artist now) and not changing any tags or file pathnames.

My question: is this a bug? Seems so to me, but in plex maybe it’s expected.

I have seen the same behavior now with Neil Young & Crazy Horse as well as Frank Zappa & the Mothers

Do we really need separate artist folders for these cases?
Not a huge issue but annoying nevertheless

thx

Do you have too activated “Prefer local metadata”?
And the album with the different Album Artist tag is stored together with the other albums, inside an “John Lennon” Artist folder, right?
In this constellation, it is down to chance, which album’s ‘Album Artist’ meta tag will determine the name of the artist that appears in Plex.

If you want to have a separate album artist “John Lennon & Yoko Ono” in Plex, separate this album into its own artist folder.
If you want it to appear together with all John Lennons album, change its ‘Album Artist’ meta tag to “John Lennon”, but keep the Track Artist tag filled with “John Lennon & Yoko Ono”.

Hi Otto… yes, my setup is as you assume…

Thanks for the clarification. The reason for the different tagging is basically musicbrainz picard. I’m just along for the ride and wanted to see if I understood the behavior and happy to do workarounds for more annoying cases.

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twsf, MP3TAG supports more than a hundred fields. right click on the heading of a column and customize.

This program is amazingly powerful. You can even access odd fields that some programs squirrel away data in. Some use the GROUPING or WORK field which causes iTunes to sync every song with that field used over and over and over and over. If I added one song to itunes and synced my ipod, it would sync over 3,000 songs every time. Only mp3tag allowed me to find and clean out those fields to avoid itunes’ bugs. If you have a big library it is worth the investment to dig into this one. So many abilities buried in it.

Regarding hidden tags that might have data contained within, I created an action that removes everything except the tags I desire.

Action groups > New > I called mine “leave default media” > New > select action type > Remove fields except > PICTURE;ALBUM;ARTIST;ALBUMARTIST;GENRE;TITLE;TRACK;YEAR

The fields you choose can be whatever, of course.

Be careful with this if you apply it to thousands of files… Start with just a single album or whatever. You can test by pressing alt+T before and after to see the Tags window and all tags that are embedded within a file or set of files.

Adding my voice to this thread. I had all of my music perfectly tagged and organised. Then one day Plex decided to break all it all. I’ve gone back and manually fixed the metadata for my entire library a couple of times and then it would keep reverting back. I’ve since given up. Incredibly frustrating. I just sort by folder now.

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@OttoKerner is it your position that there are no bugs in the music matching? I sense that is your position but I’m not sure.

I understand that the artist image and cover art must be in the correct directories. Indeed my files are in the correct location and it works perfectly now BUT I have to completely avoid the Plex matching logic for cover art to work for me (it used to work before the summer of 2019 when apparently the matching engine was reworked).

I’ve described a specific workaround to avoid the Plex matching and use only one’s own images. I’ve described it now in several threads since so many people are frustrated with these problems and just want to use their own images.

Through that process of finding a workaround to avoid the Plex matching I identified a clear UI bug — the bug I found is simply that when creating a library the order in which you set the first two fields in the Advanced page will yield different results. The user MUST set the second field first which then sets the first field. If the first field is set before the second field (which would be logical to do) then the cover art will not work.

My concern that specific cases in these threads might be “user error” but there are many threads now on this topic, many frustrated users, and I have a very specific bug report that at the very least someone should fix but seems to be lost in the threads.

Maybe we could discuss this issue offline and if we can fix this bug then maybe we can start to identify other issues together, like the matching failing on similarly named albums, before we lose a lot more Plex music users.

I would be glad to be helpful — I love Plex and would love to work together to put these problems to rest for good!

Coming to this a bit late, but my Music Library contains about 25K tracks and about 1,500 albums and with Plex set to use the ‘Plex Music’ scanner etc. I can import all this repeatedly and reliably, so I don’t think there’s any major problems with Plex. Not that it’s perfect, but big messes such as shown above indicate to me that the metadata tagging and file naming is not completely to Plex’s liking. Despite claims of everything being correct, there are examples above of tags being hopelessly out of sync with what Plex wants and to be honest is clearly explained in the documentation (such as there is). Also, did I read someone claiming their album cover art (causing a problem) was ‘correctly named for each artist and/or album’? I have found that simply using ‘cover.jpg’ and placing it in the album’s folder works perfectly 100% of the time. I believe there are some alternative words that can be used, but is ‘named for the album’ actually recommended? If not, why try to use it and then wonder why it doesn’t work perfectly.

One small point, trying to rename something just to a different case is always problematic. Some systems are case sensitive, others not and that ensures there will never be 100% consistency. I am unable to rename Mail folders in MacOS just to a different case for this very reason. In order to achieve what I require, I have to rename to something else entirely, then back to what I actually want. To a human, such a simple change seems exactly that - simple. But to a computer that may see both versions as being identical it is not simple. This is not a Plex problem and no point complaining about it. Just work your way around the problem. It’s just one of the many ways we have to adjust in order to make use of modern technology.

In a perfect world, software would understand and be able to work perfectly for every user. However, people have very different requirements and in the real world in this day and age, software has to rely on users following certain rules. If something works for you, without you apparently having to do so, it’s because those rules happen to suit what you want so you don’t notice.

I’ve looked at a lot of music software over the years (and once worked with the music licensing agency here in the UK, so have a pretty good grasp of the complexities and idiosyncrasies of music data) and have never found any software that perfectly fitted my needs, i.e. without having to modify my expectations in order to use it. On the whole, Plex works pretty well. Incredibly frustrating at times, but I have found the rules it imposes to be largely sensible and with some small effort on my part, it does what I need. Trying to ‘buck the system’ and use some different scheme for file naming and tagging is just going to cause tears.

When you are following EXACTLY what you are supposed to do and then Plex doesn’t do what it’s supposed to do? That’s when you know it’s a Plex problem and for this, I agree, there needs to be a more direct line of support. Relying on the forum is basically hopeless as huge numbers of questions are left unanswered. Support needs to be better than this or users will simply go elsewhere.

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