Plex User Survey Age discrimination?

OK… This is really not a complaint but only an amused reaction to an email from Plex regarding a survey that they were conducting at https://survey.researchresults.com/survey/selfserve/53b/s3670016?list=1&sinc=1&id=5039651&source=HxjpoahqnZ

The email failed to mention that, apparently, they were targeting users younger than 65. The text said the survey would take about 15 minutes. I started it and was asked my gender and age group. I answered 65 and up to the second question and clicked the next button on the form. I ended up on a page thanking me for my participation. After a moment of perplexity, it occurred to me that I was outside of the target group. It made me chuckle. I had spent less than 10 seconds.

Don’t know who designs your surveys but you might like to outline the target group before asking them to engage. I got a chuckle but there are quite a few folks whose egos are pretty fragile that will take offense.

Us “older” folks are not really considered a good market. Many/most marketing target the kids and leave us older folks to fend for ourselves. If you really want to fill out surveys then lie about your age. Online surveys are flawed anyway and companies that use them are just throwing their money away. If companies choose to behave stupidly then we should let them.

FWIW, I took the survey and classified myself as 65 and older. I still answered a lot more questions.

That’s interesting. Maybe it was because I selected ‘male’ for the only other question. :grinning:

I really only mentioned it because I thought it was funny and I did want them to identify the intention of the survey upfront.

I wasn’t insulted but, as I use Plex quite a bit to manage my home collection, I honestly wanted to provide my experience for a product that I like. I seldom respond to surveys. I understand how they can be skewed.
The ‘prize’ is never an inducement for me as I am a lifelong prize loser.

Online surveys aren’t inherently flawed. They can be flawed if they are poorly designed, but not just because they are online.

With zero verification and zero accountability and no way to assure identity online surveys are actually worse than flawed. They are meaningless. Any company that relies on them is foolish at best.

The design of the survey does not matter because people will lie and mostly are not even who they say they are.

The online world is not believable at all and nothing can truly be trusted.

Anybody can claim to be anybody and claim that anything is true and people will believe them.

Surveys in general are flawed because of the fact that people lie at will. They just lie more online.

But that does not really matter because people believe in them because the media says they are true.

Surveys use statistics and people believe statistics and:
“Most people use statistics the way a drunkard uses a lamp post, more for support than illumination.” - Mark Twain

A big part of my job is to supply numbers for reports.
I’ve always said, tell me the answer you want and I’ll give you the numbers to back it up. :slightly_smiling_face:

Yikes! What a sad take on life in general.

I entered my true age of 55. It kicked me out too. I have a lifetime Plex pass and over 10 years experience with advanced Plex setups. Kicked out on question #2.
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I agree with this.
But it is also possible that some people will be more (brutally) honest when hiding behind a false persona.

statistics and damned statistics? :wink:

By skewing the results to the younger (I am not in that category), I wonder if they perceive a higher demand for live streaming as opposed to (the original Plex concept of) local library playback??

47 + male here, and got the same 2 questions and done.

Like others, I’ve used Plex as the backbone of our local media consumption for many years, and have suggested it to many others, but have no interest in the newer additions (commercial supported streaming, live TV, etc).

I’m 57. Got kicked out on Q2 as well. My immediate thought was that I had just been “phished”. But looking at this thread, it seems like the survey was legit - just poorly put together.

I disagree with the original assertion that people so readily lie in surveys, Sure, it happens, but I don’t think it’s as rampant as suggested. Regardless, I definitely support the notion that good surveys are difficult to construct. There is an art to it, and there are methods that can be employed to weed out rampant “gaming” - perhaps not completely, but no survey will be perfect (hence the need to clearly understand how much confidence one has in the results).

I would also point out that there is no comparison between the type of election polling we’re used to seeing these days and well-written decision-making surveys. Polls tend to ask relatively few questions, with very few qualifiers that help frame and qualify answers (other than demographics, which serve a different purpose). To be sure, the success of well-constructed surveys isn’t merely predicated on the number of questions (too many and people get bored and don’t provide thoughtful answers), but just enough questions of the right type to allow correlative analysis. Results are rarely gleaned through a set of answers to a single question (e.g., “please rank the relative importance of the following five features”), but how multiple questions take a respondent down a path where a high-confidence conclusion can be deduced.

Along the way, answers that seem non-genuine or - more commonly - don’t seem to “hang together” because they aren’t well-thought out or are contradictory, can be filtered out. This oftentimes results in many survey responses being wholly discarded, which is not a bad thing unless the survey is so poorly written that few responses are left at the end (meaning there isn’t a statistically relevant sample size).

There are typically two ways poorly designed surveys end up failing: a) when they result in too small a sample size (oops!), and b) when the results aren’t recognized for how poorly they serve the need, and poor decisions are made based on those results. The latter is worse, and unfortunately much more common.

You’d be right to think that it’s challenging and time-consuming to craft a good survey, and equally difficult to carefully analyze the results. How much effort one puts into the process should ideally be based on how big the risk is of making a bad decision. Decisions about feature priority in a fairly well-established application like Plex probably don’t require true survey “artists” and the time & expense that goes along with that. On the other hand, decisions about strategic direction can benefit greatly from careful attention to how choices are framed and presented, and who is asked to help provide input on those choices.

I don’t know what’s in the Plex survey because I haven’t tried taking it (I suspect I’d get bounced early, like many of you). But I doubt - regardless of how much effort went into constructing the survey - any decisions made could be as catastrophic as those based on any of the 2020 election polls! :exploding_head:

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