it is indeed a moot point. I should know better. I have setup to do everything outside my plex box which is, i guess, where it needs to remain.
Analog is not a coded format. [...] Analog is about voltages and modulation not code! There is no code it is a waveform not a number.
You're getting hung up on your preconceptions of the word "code". Things have been encoded long before the advent of modern digital systems. Have a look at NTSC luminance-chrominance encoding as just one example. NTSC, PAL, etc., are considered analog encoding schemes.
Regardless, please re-read my posts. This whole analog vs. digital debate is a red-herring.
The entire Digital Vs Analog is a rather moot point of interest for plex as the devs have stated many times they are not likely to ever integrate LiveTV functionality in to the Core of the Plex. It more or less will always be a plugin and require a outside Device & Backend handling the TV Side of things.
Yes, this is likely the case. I would be happy to just see the plugin/client API extended so you could see things like "Next air date", "Record series", "Currently recording", etc., when viewing a TV show in Plex, allowing a PVR plugin a little more integration with Plex's TV Library.
You're getting hung up on your preconceptions of the word "code". Things have been encoded long before the advent of modern digital systems. Have a look at NTSC luminance-chrominance encoding as just one example. NTSC, PAL, etc., are considered analog encoding schemes.
Regardless, please re-read my posts. This whole analog vs. digital debate is a red-herring.
Yes, this is likely the case. I would be happy to just see the plugin/client API extended so you could see things like "Next air date", "Record series", "Currently recording", etc., when viewing a TV show in Plex, allowing a PVR plugin a little more integration with Plex's TV Library.
Well I have worked in Broadcast Television for nearly 40 years and never once has PAL or NTSC ever been considered or called an encoding scheme....
They are Video Formats that has nothing to do with code or encryption and differ only in their resolution, framerate and frequency of refresh rate.
Thats not an encode thats a Waveform format not encoding.
The fact that all these signals are now Digital and are rules by the Digital Millenium act says you (or PlexDevs) could be sued for copyright infringement if you start taking live TV signals and make them transmittable over the Internet especially in the case of Plex that lets you share your server with your friends.
especially in the case of Plex that lets you share your server with your friends.
Nothing stops you from sharing your Slingbox with friends, except the legality of it. Doing so is certainly violating the usage agreement of the vast majority of media. Sharing with family that live in the same household, even though they may watch Plex while traveling, is another story, and what Plex is designed for.
never once has PAL or NTSC ever been considered or called an encoding scheme..
I hate being dragged down this rabbit hole any further since this is such an unnecessarily ridiculous debate, but, they are cited as encoding schemes often.
Just a handful from the first page of a simple Google search:
http://www.diffen.com/difference/NTSC_vs_PAL#Differences_in_Color_encoding_in_PAL_and_NTSC
http://www.deetc.isel.ipl.pt/analisedesinai/sm/downloads/doc/ch08.pdf
http://www.cs.unc.edu/~kmp/comp832-s08/readings/blinn-ntsc.pdf
And an IC for decoding them:
Nothing stops you from sharing your Slingbox with friends, except the legality of it. Doing so is certainly violating the usage agreement of the vast majority of media. Sharing with family that live in the same household, even though they may watch Plex while traveling, is another story, and what Plex is designed for.
I hate being dragged down this rabbit hole any further since this is such an unnecessarily ridiculous debate, but, they are cited as encoding schemes often.
Just a handful from the first page of a simple Google search:
http://www.diffen.com/difference/NTSC_vs_PAL#Differences_in_Color_encoding_in_PAL_and_NTSC
http://www.deetc.isel.ipl.pt/analisedesinai/sm/downloads/doc/ch08.pdf
http://www.cs.unc.edu/~kmp/comp832-s08/readings/blinn-ntsc.pdf
And an IC for decoding them:
You are talking two different things that are totally UNRELATED to TRANSCODING and ENCODING...
The type of encoding your talking about requires no DECODING...
But feel free to think your correct....No Skin off me...
I BOLDED the relevant part of your first line since that WAS the reason this conversation started altogether wasn't it?
LEGALITY!
Which is why you probably won't see this feature anytime soon!
So, having a Plex Media client play a stream straight from a satellite decoder is ok ;
having Plex Media Server grab the stream and re-stream it to Plex clients is _not_ ok.
Only 2 problems :
development team have removed option A from the clients ;
option B ain't gonna happen because, while technically possible, it might not be legal.
not a happy camper.
there is no legal issue ... don't u guys know sat2ip ??
btw. for all who want Linux PMS-TV maybe this is also an alternative: TVheadend-Plex
So, having a Plex Media client play a stream straight from a satellite decoder is ok ;
having Plex Media Server grab the stream and re-stream it to Plex clients is _not_ ok.
Only 2 problems :
development team have removed option A from the clients ;
option B ain't gonna happen because, while technically possible, it might not be legal.
not a happy camper.
Not exactly.
The only issue would be if you used an unauthorized decryption tool to decrypt and re-stream. As long as you are using authorized equipment, or the stream isn't encrypted (Clear QAM, FTA, etc.), and you have license to view the content, you'll be in the same boat as using a Slingbox.
Plex is still capable of transcoding and/or re-streaming live streams using channel plugins.
there is no legal issue ... don't u guys know sat2ip ??
btw. for all who want Linux PMS-TV maybe this is also an alternative: TVheandend-Plex
Exactly.
The type of encoding your talking about requires no DECODING...
You might want to inform Maxim Integrated, Conexant and many other IC manufactures about that. They've been producing NTSC/PAL encoders and decoders for some time.
You are talking two different things that are totally UNRELATED to TRANSCODING and ENCODING...
And we're back to square one.
DECODING and ENCODING digital (or analog) content is not the legal issue. DECRYPTION is. Transcoding need not apply.
You might want to inform Maxim Integrated, Conexant and many other IC manufactures about that. They've been producing NTSC/PAL encoders and decoders for some time.
And we're back to square one.
DECODING and ENCODING digital (or analog) content is not the legal issue. DECRYPTION is. Transcoding need not apply.
For use in Digital transmission not for use in broadcasting!
Which is all digital now that Analog transmission has gone away!
For use in Digital transmission not for use in broadcasting!
Which is all digital now that Analog transmission has gone away!
You are making absolutely zero sense. Analog or digital does not matter. "Digital transmission" vs "Analog transmission" does not matter.
Nothing you have said shows that Plex's ability to transcode and re-stream a live broadcast (this CAN currently be done through channel plugins) is legally any different than Slingbox.
Can we stop with the Digital vs Analog crap? It is very very very irrelevant to plex.
Can we stop with the Digital vs Analog crap? It is very very very irrelevant to plex.
i just wanted to say that ... its far away from anything that matters to this thread...
i just wanted to say that ... its far away from anything that matters to this thread...
AsphyxNYC appears to be arguing that because this request could require Plex to transcode a digital broadcast, the fact that it is a digital broadcast somehow makes it illegal and somehow different from what Slingbox does. Unfortunately my attempt to correct his misunderstanding appears to have digressed. For that, I apologize.
You are making absolutely zero sense. Analog or digital does not matter. "Digital transmission" vs "Analog transmission" does not matter.
Nothing you have said shows that Plex's ability to transcode and re-stream a live broadcast (this CAN currently be done through channel plugins) is legally any different than Slingbox.
Yes I have....What kind of signal does the Slingbox use?
Analog of Digital?
Only SOME of the content from your cablebox can be sent to Sling over HDMI (Digital) In those cases there is no legal issue.
The rest will not work over HDMI and the component (Analog) cable must be used.
To comply with the Millenium copyright act.
Which cable and system (Analog or Digital) will Plex be using?
Answer NONE! Totally different concept from Slingbox!
http://support.slingbox.com/get/KB-2000491.html
Since Plex will not be HDCP compliant under any circumstances it will be impossible for it to transcode from an HDMI connector anytime soon.
Just as Slingbox can't at this point either!
Which means Analog signal only, transcoding as far as Plex is concerned can not be done! There is no digital signal to TRANSCODE!
It could ENCODE which is legal since encoding is technically losing quality from the original content!
Nuff Said about this believe what you want because it is convenient...
I suppose because it's all available on Bittorrent that is legal too right?
The main point here is if you want to ignore copyright law feel free...
But don't expect Plex Devs to do so anytime soon unless you want to pay $79 a Month for PlexPass to help pay for the legal fees they will be forced to content with.
Yes I have....What kind of signal does the Slingbox use?
Analog of Digital?
I really don't want to respond, but at the same time, I just can't let this misinformation stand.
Depending on the model the Slingbox can accept NTSC/PAL (analog) and DVB-T,ATSC,Clear Qam (Digital)
Answer NONE! Totally different concept from Slingbox!
Where would Plex get its stream? Likely through a DVB-T/ATSC/QAM tuner, or an analog capture device. Where does Slingbox get its stream? Through a DVB-T/ATSC/QAM tuner, or an analog capture device. There is no difference.
Which means Analog signal only, transcoding as far as Plex is concerned can not be done! There is no digital signal to TRANSCODE!
It could ENCODE which is legal since encoding is technically losing quality from the original content!
You make no sense here. Transcoding (often a lossy process) does not in itself violate the DMCA. Transcoding involves decoding and re-encoding in a different format and/or quality. The DMCA has nothing to do with "quality" or "decoding". The meat of the DMCA is all about DRM (Digital Rights Management). In other words, encryption. It's not about just digital, it's all about encryption of digital content. The DMCA blocks you from decrypting digital content using unauthorized means.
Please read up on the difference between decryption and decoding.
The rest of your post is just insulting and even further off topic.
Can we stop with the Digital vs Analog crap? It is very very very irrelevant to plex.
if we ■■■■ bits, it is digital crap?
and if we ■■■■ waves, it's analog crap?
amirite?
couldn't help myself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sat-IP THIS IS NOT ILLEGAL !!!
Okay, back to the topic.
until transcoding of transport streams comes native to plex, lets discuss the possibilities we have right now. instead of discuss such nonsense.
i searched a bit and found a few solutions, to use PMS-Live-TV right now.
Linux: MythTV: https://forums.plex.tv/topic/86644-mythtv-plug-in/
Tvheadend: https://forums.plex.tv/topic/95345-tv-headend-next-generation/
Windows: https://forums.plex.tv/topic/65069-rel-mediaportal-live-tv/
- for Dreambox owners: https://forums.plex.tv/topic/58831-dreambox-plugin-01-is-done/
Mac OS: https://forums.plex.tv/topic/27784-eyetv-live-streaming/
IPTV (Win, Mac, Linux): https://forums.plex.tv/topic/83083-iptvbundle-plugin-that-plays-iptv-streams-from-a-m3u-playlist/
which one do you like most?
Personally IPTV would take the cookie.
Simply because there's no other software to install, just the one channel in PMS.
Unfortunately, IPTV does not play ball with my Enigma1 Dreambox. The stream never plays. :(
I'm hoping https://forums.plex.tv/topic/58831-dreambox-plugin-01-is-done/ might help out, when I get a new sat decoder (running Enigma2)
Personally IPTV would take the cookie.
Simply because there's no other software to install, just the one channel in PMS.
Unfortunately, IPTV does not play ball with my Enigma1 Dreambox. The stream never plays. :(
I'm hoping https://forums.plex.tv/topic/58831-dreambox-plugin-01-is-done/ might help out, when I get a new sat decoder (running Enigma2)
nice. i didnt knew that plugin. updated my post.
