Yes, and my eyes are still bleeding. Those block edges are sharp. It’s the visual equivalent of walking on Lego. That’s a reminder that video needs to be good enough or the whole experience suffers.
Your explanation makes sense, it just doesn’t align with my experience. I’m sure we’re using different settings or files or just notice different things.
I get “usually smaller” files when I target quality instead of bitrate, and much less chance of “the gradient looks terrible in this dark scene” or “the avengers dissolved into atoms because of too much fast motion”.
It’s definitely less predictable. Slow movies are much smaller than action movies, but I did my initial testing on action movies.
I hope you don’t think I’m vilifying you. If I have that sort of power I would rather use it for more significant causes.
As long as we can agree that the movie The Man from U.N.C.L.E. (2015) was ridiculous.
2 PASS fixes that, but don’t take my word for it - try it. Or hush.
Some displays are more sensitive to those dark gradients, but for this exercise we’re talking about DVDs. If you want to encode DVDs at 10 bits and it helps - go for it. I see no such gradients on my DVDs and if I did all the placebo bit rate I could use would do NOTHING to correct it.
… and my deepest apologies for not making that clear…
…I do have ‘the movie’, but it didn’t satisfy - that’s certain.
(I always thought if I ever had a son, I’d name him Illya Kuryakin, but the opportunity for a knock-down-drag-out fight with the wife never presented itself - then Frank named one of his ‘Moon Unit’ and I was crushed)
There’s a huge difference in a ‘spirited debate’ / ‘forced training session’ and an internet fist fight.. I just assumed we were into the former.
I have been vilified to the point of being driven out of a thread wherein I was trying to offer help - when it was deemed wrong by those who wouldn’t even consider a look-see an appropriate response to settings that might seem… different from a MakeMKV rip.
I decided before that happened again - I’d get a little ugly and see where that got us… You’re fine. We’re just talkin’. And you might learn somethin’ yet…lol
Those pixels are already gone, man. Gone. Dust in the wind. Dead parrot, Jim.
There weren’t 480p on the disk, because the DVD cabal didn’t consider widescreen, and then when the DVD was mastered they “spent” a third of those pixels on letterbox. You aren’t missing out on anything. Or rather, you can’t get the “real” pixels back. Only imposters.
What I’m surprised about is that you think it looks significantly enough better to be worth it. I just took a file, smashed it down to 240p. If I stretch it back to 480p, it looks 99% the same as if I just expand it at playback.
I figure I’m probably going to display it at a LOT more than 276 or 360 or 480p, so unless I knew my destination details, I’d probably leave it be. Let the final device scale it in both dimensions, once, instead of doing it once in Handbrake to an intermediate size and then again at playback.
There are great tools for ABX for audio. Talking about this and quality and bitrate and scaling makes me want to find something for video. I know how susceptible humans are to confirmation bias.
More importantly, I definitely want to watch THIS movie. But not in 4x3 or 276p. I see the Blu-ray got released a few years ago. And I think it’s on D+. Hrm.
I liked the 480p version - and so did @Uh_Oh
I didn’t really get a chance to watch it before I stumbled upon that.
Well, you can’t argue with progress, eh?
The only thing I did to that was remux it to an MKV, convert from AAC 5.1 to AC3 5.1 and normalize to 84db - and de-SDHed the subs. Done.
Well, plenty happened in this thread while I was dozing, and then working this morning. Some of this stuff ya’ll are talking about… I can read the words, but dang if I understand them. I hear you, but it’s all over my head. Glad you guys understand it better.
I made a realization last night, that kills my reencoding efforts for the moment. My server is an actual server box, and I upgraded the CPU, but didn’t pay attention to the TDP of the processor I was swapping in. It’s not huge, but it’s enough that the stock cooler realistically can’t keep up with the heat produced during sustained cpu pegging. If I’m going to beat my processor doing reencodes like this, I’ll need a different system, or figure out how to upgrade the cooling system. 170F CPU temp is not a good thing. It didn’t fry, but I don’t want to have that temp running on my system. That’s the very upper end of the rated temperature capacity for my CPU. I’d rather not fry my system and have to replace it right now. I went from a G6950 to an X3470. Yes, they’re old, but beggars can’t be choosers when you’re given a free system.
You may have quietly wondered why I have an eclectic and ancient DVD collection vs something newer as well. I DVD hunt at garage sales. .25 cents each? I'll take every DVD they're selling that I don't have. .50 cents each, probably the same. $1.00 and I’ll pick out 2 or 3 movies I don’t have. It’s the sport of the hunt, gives me something to do and gets me out and about, and it’s dirt cheap entertainment for 5-6 hours on a weekend. So, yeah… I’ll unearth some of these ancient analogue DVDs from time to time. For the cost of them, it’s no loss for me to stretch them back to 480. The cost is pennies to obtain, and now with a bit of HB tweaking, enjoyable.
Thanks for the good spirited discussion. I’ve learned some, and missed much even though I stood on tip-toe. Much to learn and understand in all of this, and I’m only scratching the surface.
I’ve been using SpeedFan for years. We’re in the midst of a heat warning right now, and my bedroom that I have outfitted as my office is being hit dead on with the sun right now, so it’s toasty in here, even with the AC on. CPU is 5ish degrees above normal right now with the ambient as warm as it is.
Looks like your software is accurate. A bit more informative too. I use the SMART diagnostics on SpeedFan for drive health monitoring. I’ll give your software a good look.
I can’t get SSD Health to work - but it could be something not related to the monitor.
I also haven’t updated it for 300 years… maybe I should do that?
There’s usually a toolkit provided by the OEM that you can download. Those seem to work well. I use Kingston’s SSD Manager software to keep up with firmware updates on their regular SATA ssds. Provides similar info to what CrystalDisk Info would as well.
My conclusion is that because Juice hasn’t offered us Rokus, we are not his friends. sniff
It sounds like you’ve recreated the fun inspiration of the old movie rental experience. Finding things you wouldn’t have discovered otherwise. Getting outside your personal “filter bubble” of media recommendations.
I apparently need to reconsider DVDs as my long-term investment vehicle. It doesn’t seem like they’re appreciating in value.
That seriously reminds me of some of the old Simpson’s episodes. Is your fridge running? Better go catch it!
Juice is quite generous, but I’m not so sure he’d want to drive to a flyover state for a Roku delivery.
You’re quite right. I use MyMovies Pro 3. So long as the DVD is in its original case, all I have to do is scan the barcode. I instantly know if I have the movie. If I want it, I just click add to collection and move on to the next. Simple way to cut down on duplicates. Then I get home, and rip em straight to my library for viewing. No bar code? You can manually search by title. Slower, but it still works so long as you don’t have to manually enter every single one.
Some weekends are better than others. I’ve come home with 40 DVDs for $10. That’s a good time. If I buy a movie that is terrible, it’s pennies lost, but a good time had.
Edit I don’t plan on ever selling my DVDs. They’re worth next to nothing. I grab the disks, throw them into a binder, and toss the cases. Makes storage so much easier. A few of these take up far less room than the 800 cases you just disposed of.
I’m not sure I’d let him in anyway. He’d probably try to upscale my perfectly sized DVD rips. “Have you heard the good word? Believers get extra pixels!”
I knew 100% what that would be before I clicked on it. Back in the day I was allll about the Case Logic disk holders. More recently I’ve gotten a few binders that other people were planning to donate, full of DVDs.
I’d never do a 1-pass Average Bitrate encoding unless I was willing to turn the bitrate all the way up to 11. Handbrake really shouldn’t even give that option.
There’s plenty to be said for the predictability of a 2-pass ABR encoding.
I’ve just learned about CRF+VBV options today, and I’m interested in experimenting with them. They give the ability to specify more “instantaneous” bandwidth limits. If you like 2-pass ABR because it puts some rules around bandwidth consumption, you might like the VBV options even more.
*My conclusion is that because Juice hasn’t offered us Rokus, we are not his friends. *sniff
That’s just dribble, I don’t have a Roku and live in a land down under surrounded by Kangars and Emus. We share our collections 10,000 miles apart and I consider Juice my friend, now unfortunately 10% less sniffer.
I use iMac, 3 x iPads, LG 65"OLED and just interacts perfectly
