Since it was stated no one has specifically requested this, here it is. Many of us that have built our own HTPC or repurposed a PC for this task currently use/run Ceton tuners. I presently have a Ceton Infinity 6 PCI model inside a custom built HTPC with Core i5 CPU, Windows 7 and one Echo device. I would LOVE to keep the use of the tuner and have it work with PLEX. I am not stuck on the use of the Echo personally. The Ceton Infinity tuners come in 4 and 6 tuner types. There are both Ethernet (external) and PCI (internal) models. All work with WMC. If you have the installed tuner limit upgrade (from Ceton), you have access to ALL of the tuners.
Again, adding PLEX DVR/Live support for the Ceton Infinity tuners would be AMAZING.
I also have a Ceton 4 tuner card and it works great for me with Windows Media Center but I have to stick with Windows 7. Iâd love to transition entirely over to Plex but since itâs working fine now, Iâll stick with it instead of throwing away my hardware investment. At least, hoping to hear if Ceton support is on your roadmap and any eta. Thanks.
I am in the same situation owning a Ceton 4 card that I used with WMC. Since upgrading to Windows 10 I use NextPVR/Kodi which supports Ceton but has its own issues. Plex support for Ceton would be a great feature to have.
Ceton doesnât even support those cards anymore, they are essentially dead products. I know Plex has limited resources for writing code, so I would rather they focus on products that are still being actively developed.
I agree that I would like to see this, and ASAP. I signed up for PlexPass specifically for this, only to then find out itâs not supported. Probably wouldâve been better to put a damn asterisk next to âwe now have live TV!â so people didnât get baited and switched.
From http://cetoncorp.com/support/ 7/30/2015 (their last post)
âThere are currently no alternatives to Windows Media Center for CableCARD protected content on your PC. Itâs not a question of Ceton supporting other DVR platforms, all CableCARD tuners are required to use the DRI specification from CableLabs. This freely-available specification allows DVR software packages to control CableCARD tuners and access copy-freely content. To access Copy Once content the DVR software must implement a CableLabs-approved form of copy protection, typically WM-DRM from Microsoft. This is why MythTV, Sage TV, XMBC, etc. do not support protected content.â
IIRC, infinitv doesnât work without the cablecard and I donât think the Plex team wants to seek certification due to the expense. Just a guess.
@jstaguynj said:
I agree that I would like to see this, and ASAP. I signed up for PlexPass specifically for this, only to then find out itâs not supported. Probably wouldâve been better to put a damn asterisk next to âwe now have live TV!â so people didnât get baited and switched.
There has ALWAYS been a list of supported devices.
@aschmidtm said:
From Ceton - Powered by Kayako Help Desk Software 7/30/2015 (their last post)
âThere are currently no alternatives to Windows Media Center for CableCARD protected content on your PC. Itâs not a question of Ceton supporting other DVR platforms, all CableCARD tuners are required to use the DRI specification from CableLabs. This freely-available specification allows DVR software packages to control CableCARD tuners and access copy-freely content. To access Copy Once content the DVR software must implement a CableLabs-approved form of copy protection, typically WM-DRM from Microsoft. This is why MythTV, Sage TV, XMBC, etc. do not support protected content.â
IIRC, infinitv doesnât work without the cablecard and I donât think the Plex team wants to seek certification due to the expense. Just a guess.
I believe since Android 6, WM-DRM and PlayReady 1-2.0 support and licensing is built right into the OS so technically they could write the required support for AndroidTV based devices such as the Nvidia Shield. The issue from a windows perspective is rewriting the way that Plex performs its recording and playback to support the PlayReady libraries. Now for 4k support, etc we would have to have Kabylake based CPUs and TVs that support HDCP 2.2 to play any new PlayReady 3.0 based content. No matter how many hundreds of thousands that Microsoft would charge for licensing I am pretty sure the community at large would raise most of the capital through a Kickstarter campaign. Its only a matter of time before all cable companies begin to encrypt their channels so the sooner the Plex Developers embrace DRM the less likely they will be backed into a corner with a DVR feature that canât record anything.
IIRC, infinitv doesnât work without the cablecard and I donât think the Plex team wants to seek certification due to the expense. Just a guess.
Actually, InfiniTV DO work with OUT the cable card inserted. It is in the manual how to do it. (paraphrasing: while setting up WMC for TV signal, you remove any existing card inserted and proceed with channel discovery.) You would have to have an antenna connected to receive OTA channels. I know this works. When I moved in 2014 and was waiting for new installation of service, I inserted the InfiniTV into another computer and set it up just like that. And I got regular OTA channels. The card would also tune any non-scrambled cable QAM channels. Unfortunately, Verizon FiOS now scrambles nearly ALL so that isnât as useful. But I can say for a FACT, InfiniTV cards can tune channels WITHOUT a cablecard inserted in them.
For any DVR platform to actually work and be useful to a customer and be accepted by broadcasters/content owners, THERE must be some type of DRM to ensure âlazyâ copying aka easy as copy/paste isnât an issue. Even with current WMC copy once programs, I can run them thru MCEBuddy and strip copy protection and reduce file size (ALL benefits TBH). But the casual user probably wouldnât get into that. I donât even do it honestly. I simply want a DVR solution I control. ie how much storage, tuner count, etc. At the Ceton released the InfiniTV 6 it was the ONLY tuner on the market that supported 6 streams. Even the much fawned about (these forums) SiliconDust with itâs âactivelyâ developed products does NOT make a single unit with more than 3 tuners. And the commercial 6 tuner versions SiliconDust makes are like 2 grand and are NOT actively marketed anymore.
SiliconDust can enjoy all the fellating on these forums. You still canât say it makes the most tuners. As for my Ceton InfiniTV 6 PCI, it has been running 24/7 since 2012 flawlessly.
I believe that there is a large group of WMC users with ceton tuners. Like myself, I am waiting for the opportunity to jump over to a PLEX only environment and leave WMC behind if PLEX were to support the Ceton tuners. Please consider supporting the ceton tuners. (Iâll be glad to support testing the eth-6). Except for premium channels (HBO etc), Iâm getting all channel copy freely, like the FCC intended (and for OTA they are requiring) - so Iâm not sure what the big âDRMâ issue isâŠ
Iâm glad so many of us ceton owners are coming to the surface! The issue with âDRMâ support does not effect all of us but for those of us forced to deal with time warner ( spectrum ), were not so lucky. The company decided to put copy-once flags as well as copy-never on almost all channels. Even getting to the point of putting them on some local channels. In the end. Time Warner customers that use cable cards are rendered useless once Windows Media Center looses support. Wmc is the only option with DRM support, as far as I know. If anyone has another optionâŠTELL ME PLEASE!!!. Plex! Be my savior!!
@maroandy323 said:
Time Warner customers that use cable cards are rendered useless once Windows Media Center looses support. Wmc is the only option with DRM support, as far as I know. If anyone has another optionâŠTELL ME PLEASE!!!. Plex! Be my savior!!
I havenât tried in years (2012), but I built a new HTPC. And after much debate bought another Ceton. I will try to record a copy once (premium level channel) and run it through MCEBuddy to see if it strips the DRM. I believe it does (or did) but I donât actively use MCEBuddy, so I canât say it still works. If it doesâŠa hack to make PLEX work RIGHT now with Ceton SORT OF would be to let WMC record, once complete MCEBuddy would strip (if it still strips DRM) and converts to a smaller file. You could then have a script or batch file run say every few hours and it would move that NEW smaller DRMfree file to the NAS or computer that is running PLEX.
It isnât pretty or simple, but if MCEBuddy still strips DRM, it would work for adding and sharing content you have recorded. I know for a FACT anything recorded without copy restriction, once run through MCEBuddy and moved to my TV Shows folder, shows up and is shareable. Just happens to be way too manual for most ppl.
Another Ceton user here InfiniTV 4 internal tuner. Would love to use this with Plex DVR and live tv. Looking for a solution to WMC before it is sunseted.
I also have InfiniTV 6, I used used to use it with WMC now moved over to Kodi. Iâm using nextpvr as the backend. This setup is ok. I would love to have it running in plex. Please support this device!!!
Just bought another InfiniTV 6, ETH this time. I am VERY happy with my Ceton products. I get some ppl have/are/want to switch to SiliconDust tuners. However, SiliconDust hardware hasnât been developed further either, and they simply adding PVR type software. That is really the ONLY new development on SiliconDust end. I see no reason Ceton tuners canât be added. Plex has established its desire to be certified for DRM on cable card side.
I have the PCI InfiniTV 4 & 6 in my WMC box. I will immediately jump ship to Plex once they support it, and Iâll happily pay through my nose for it too.
