Tracking PMP functionality with Apollo Lake and Kaby Lake NUCs

of course, at (or around) christmas, there will be the new NUC8…

if i wait expecting the new generation of something i’ll be stuck with the VHS of my parents :slight_smile:
i’m gonna replace my old? NUC 5i3 with the new 7i3 (capable of 4k HEVC 10 and “nearly?” passthrough all…i know 7i7 its more powerful, of course…but apart i can spend more, the 1080Ti it’s capable of much more…jejeje :slight_smile:

cheers everybody!

@wesman said:
Additional Fix for Audio on Intel’s site

Download Intel Drivers and Software

24Hz “apparently” now working

For Windows only, it seems to work, at least for the few simple tests I did.

I encountered a bunch of other problems when I had a quick go with my NUC6CAYH.
Screen constantly blanking in Windows (but seemed to be OK in full screen PMP) and wireless not working at all.
Might be the latest Intel drivers, or the firmware patch, or both.

For embedded, pass-through is as broken as before the recent firmware updates, no change whatsoever.

In any case I need to wait for a CEC adapter to arrive for the device to be able to function in any sensible way in my environment and I’m not sure if using Windows as the underlying platform will work very well for me.

Anyway my D54250WYK is back in its place now.

Ian

@raven-au said:
Screen constantly blanking in Windows (but seemed to be OK in full screen PMP) and wireless not working at all.
Might be the latest Intel drivers, or the firmware patch, or both.

Why do you say the wireless is having issues? I have also, seen buffering issues inside plex (on wireless) but have not been able to point it at intel, just yet.

do you know something?

@Ach!lles said:
@wesman Have you tested HDMI 2.0 1080p24?

Yes, and It appears to be working. None of the test cases I have done so far have failed

test cases

what’s this? … the NUC itself? :o

@wesman said:

@raven-au said:
Screen constantly blanking in Windows (but seemed to be OK in full screen PMP) and wireless not working at all.
Might be the latest Intel drivers, or the firmware patch, or both.

Why do you say the wireless is having issues? I have also, seen buffering issues inside plex (on wireless) but have not been able to point it at intel, just yet.

Buffering over wireless is usually not a problem for me and hasn’t been a problem since around the time AC1300 wireless came out. Distance of devices from my router is are fairly short so throughput is usually pretty good. My D54250WYK has no problem playing a movie that is around 19Mbps at the same location I was using the NUC6CAYH. Of course the 1x1 wireless on the NUC6CAYH might be a different story but I won’t know that until the wireless is working reliably, see below.

do you know something?

LOL, I don’t know much of anything!

On Windows the wireless did appear to be working ok, but in a different location and before a recent driver update, so these things might be a factor.

The problem I see (on Windows) is the NUC6CAYH doesn’t see the SSID broadcasts. At one point it did see the 2.4Ghz SSID for a while but it went away.

In the other location wireless was working ok in Windows, actually I’m not sure I was even getting decent throughput on Windows, can’t remember now, it’s early days and I’ll need to do more to gather accurate info.

Booting into PMP or LibreELEC 8.0 I was unable to connect using connman most of the time but was seeing the expected SSIDs.

The adapter in the NUC, AC-3168, is apparently supported from kernel 4.6 and IIRC PMP had a later kernel than that.

The adapter firmware wasn’t present in PMP so I located it and dropped in into .config/firmware , and it was found and the adapter initialized ok, according to dmesg output. But still there were connection problems and when I was able to connect it was unusable from a throughput POV (almost non-existent actually). Again, IIRC, the firmware was present in LibreELEC 8.0 but I still had the same problems.

I’ll probably need to revert to an earlier driver version (on Windows), when I get time, to check further.

@raven-au said:

Booting into PMP or LibreELEC 8.0 I was unable to connect using connman most of the time but was seeing the expected SSIDs.

So I think I need to take my comments about the NUC6CAYH wireless adapter back!

As a last ditch attempt to get it working I checked if the antennas were actually connected to the card.
I remember seeing both connected when I installed the SSD drive but looking I found one obviously not connected.

Connecting it made the world of difference and I’m able to connect in both Windows and PMP (after dropping in the firmware of course). And the 5Ghz throughput in Windows is not too shabby for a 1x1 adapter.

@raven-au said:

@raven-au said:

Booting into PMP or LibreELEC 8.0 I was unable to connect using connman most of the time but was seeing the expected SSIDs.

So I think I need to take my comments about the NUC6CAYH wireless adapter back!

As a last ditch attempt to get it working I checked if the antennas were actually connected to the card.
I remember seeing both connected when I installed the SSD drive but looking I found one obviously not connected.

Connecting it made the world of difference and I’m able to connect in both Windows and PMP (after dropping in the firmware of course). And the 5Ghz throughput in Windows is not too shabby for a 1x1 adapter.

hmmm, perhaps I need to check my antenna’s. Not sure where those are, but I’ll see if I can find it.

@“Ach!lles” said:
Functional Status of Color Management schemes with NUC7i3BNK using embedded PMP 1.2.3.623

"Legend for Video Color Processing Chain"
Player | GPU | Display
(mpv.conf: video-output-levels) | GPU(autostart.sh: xrandr --set "Broadcast RGB") | Display
  • Limited | Passthrough | Limited - Photos and UI colors are displayed correctly; Videos colors are washed out due to additional clamping at the GPU. This is not an issue with previous NUC models. Something is broken here making it function just as if it were Limited | Limited | Limited–which is an incorrect color management scheme
  • Limited | Full | Limited - Photos and UI colors are displayed with crushed blacks; Video colors are displayed correctly
  • Full | Full | Full - Photos and UI colors are displayed correctly; Video colors displayed correctly but is single scaled with BtB and WtW signals clipped
  • Full | Limited | Limited - Photos and UI colors are displayed correctly; Video colors are displayed correctly but is double scaled with BtB and WtW signals clipped

Kodi is aware of this issue and have patches to resolve this issue with these new Apollo Lake and Kaby Lake NUCs. Not being a sw developer, I am not sure where they are doing this.

This applies to the NUC6i7KYK Skull Canyon as well. Common denominator is DisplayPort.

@orbtwin-plex said:

of course, at (or around) christmas, there will be the new NUC8…

if i wait expecting the new generation of something i’ll be stuck with the VHS of my parents :slight_smile:
i’m gonna replace my old? NUC 5i3 with the new 7i3 (capable of 4k HEVC 10 and “nearly?” passthrough all…i know 7i7 its more powerful, of course…but apart i can spend more, the 1080Ti it’s capable of much more…jejeje :slight_smile:

cheers everybody!

Why not wait one or two more weeks until the NUC7i5BNK/H is released? Are you that hard up for a new NUC? The NUC7i7BNH will be the last one to be released in a month or so.

@orbtwin-plex said:

test cases

what’s this? … the NUC itself? :o

Everything that was outlined in the prior posts in this thread ^^

@Ach!lles said:

@orbtwin-plex said:

of course, at (or around) christmas, there will be the new NUC8…

if i wait expecting the new generation of something i’ll be stuck with the VHS of my parents :slight_smile:
i’m gonna replace my old? NUC 5i3 with the new 7i3 (capable of 4k HEVC 10 and “nearly?” passthrough all…i know 7i7 its more powerful, of course…but apart i can spend more, the 1080Ti it’s capable of much more…jejeje :slight_smile:

cheers everybody!

Why not wait one or two more weeks until the NUC7i5BNK/H is released? Are you that hard up for a new NUC? The NUC7i7BNH will be the last one to be released in a month or so.

thaaanks for the advices, but i cant spend more than for this.
im a bit nervous about the 60hz…and the 4k HEVC 10 playback. but everything will be ok… expect.

but… thats a pity the PMP 0 evolution and promised things

thaaanks

@orbtwin-plex said:

@Ach!lles said:

@orbtwin-plex said:

of course, at (or around) christmas, there will be the new NUC8…

if i wait expecting the new generation of something i’ll be stuck with the VHS of my parents :slight_smile:
i’m gonna replace my old? NUC 5i3 with the new 7i3 (capable of 4k HEVC 10 and “nearly?” passthrough all…i know 7i7 its more powerful, of course…but apart i can spend more, the 1080Ti it’s capable of much more…jejeje :slight_smile:

cheers everybody!

Why not wait one or two more weeks until the NUC7i5BNK/H is released? Are you that hard up for a new NUC? The NUC7i7BNH will be the last one to be released in a month or so.

thaaanks for the advices, but i cant spend more than for this.
im a bit nervous about the 60hz…and the 4k HEVC 10 playback. but everything will be ok… expect.

but… thats a pity the PMP 0 evolution and promised things

thaaanks

This is early adopter territory–not for the faint of heart. :wink:

Nope, Checked both of mine are attached, my problem is that the buffer simply isn’t filling. even though, I have the bandwidth to fill it.

@Achilles this is what my wireless buffer looks like

while the wired fills the buffer in 6 seconds (500 MB), I know wired is faster… but wireless should not be that slow.

@wesman said:
while the wired fills the buffer in 6 seconds (500 MB), I know wired is faster… but wireless should not be that slow.

Without knowing all the variables of your WiFI, it has hard to make any real statement regarding performance. Variables being things like RF band, channel width, 802.11 protocols, floor noise, SNR, channel utilization and broadcast traffic on LAN. These things are all factors for WiFi performance and are somewhat out of scope for PMP.

I suppose, but too much of that untrackable. the 802.11ac (nearly 900 mbps) as does the router (RT-AC88U).

During testing, my laptop, sitting right next to the NUC (wirelessly) gets 80 mbps.

@wesman said:
I suppose, but too much of that untrackable. the 802.11ac (nearly 900 mbps) as does the router (RT-AC88U).

During testing, my laptop, sitting right next to the NUC (wirelessly) gets 80 mbps.

80Mbps bitrate or 80MB/s?

80MB/s would be approximately 671Mbps.

@Achilles said:

@wesman said:
I suppose, but too much of that untrackable. the 802.11ac (nearly 900 mbps) as does the router (RT-AC88U).

During testing, my laptop, sitting right next to the NUC (wirelessly) gets 80 mbps.
80Mbps bitrate or 80MB/s?

80MB/s would be approximately 671Mbps.

LOL, it could be either these days.
I can get 70-90 MB/s router to router (fairly close with not to many obstacles) with AC 2133 devices.
And as the wireless technology has evolved performance seems to have improved so that newer lower capacity (2x2 and even 1x1) devices perform reasonably well.