Booting into PMP or LibreELEC 8.0 I was unable to connect using connman most of the time but was seeing the expected SSIDs.
So I think I need to take my comments about the NUC6CAYH wireless adapter back!
As a last ditch attempt to get it working I checked if the antennas were actually connected to the card.
I remember seeing both connected when I installed the SSD drive but looking I found one obviously not connected.
Connecting it made the world of difference and Iām able to connect in both Windows and PMP (after dropping in the firmware of course). And the 5Ghz throughput in Windows is not too shabby for a 1x1 adapter.
hmmm, perhaps I need to check my antennaās. Not sure where those are, but Iāll see if I can find it.
They are tiny and difficult to connect.
The (two) wires from the antennas inside the case connect to the small M.2 wireless adapter which should be fairly obvious after removing the bottom of the case. Equally it should be obvious if either of the connectors are not connected. In particular wireless really wonāt work at all.
Be careful the connectors are not that sturdy (thin wires and tiny connectors), I accidentally pulled one of the connectors off of one of the antenna wires in my D54250wyk and had to buy a replacement antenna and use one of the connectors to solder on as a replacement.
@wesman said:
while the wired fills the buffer in 6 seconds (500 MB), I know wired is fasterā¦ but wireless should not be that slow.
Sorry, what device do you have?
The NUC6CAY(x) has 1x1 wireless so itās AC 433, itās not going to be anywhere near as fast as a wired connection.
Not to sure now but I think I was getting 8-15 MB/s when I reconnected my antenna and I thought that was fairly good for that adapter but its nowhere near what I would get with a wired connection.
Even the NUC7i(x) devices wonāt be that fast, theyāre 2x2 devices (AC 866) and if weāre lucky we might see 20-25 MB/s.
In fact my D54250wyk has 2x2 wireless and I used to only get around 10-15 MB/s, last time I checked, which was a while ago now, and I think it actually performs worse with my recent AC 2133 router at around 4-5 MB/s (seen recently in passing), not sure whatās going on there, it should be at least 10-15 MB/s.
@wesman said:
I suppose, but too much of that untrackable. the 802.11ac (nearly 900 mbps) as does the router (RT-AC88U).
During testing, my laptop, sitting right next to the NUC (wirelessly) gets 80 mbps.
80Mbps bitrate or 80MB/s?
80MB/s would be approximately 671Mbps.
LOL, it could be either these days.
I can get 70-90 MB/s router to router (fairly close with not to many obstacles) with AC 2133 devices.
And as the wireless technology has evolved performance seems to have improved so that newer lower capacity (2x2 and even 1x1) devices perform reasonably well.
@wesman said:
while the wired fills the buffer in 6 seconds (500 MB), I know wired is fasterā¦ but wireless should not be that slow.
Sorry, what device do you have?
The NUC6CAY(x) has 1x1 wireless so itās AC 433, itās not going to be anywhere near as fast as a wired connection.
Correct. It may associate at 433Mbps but real world performance will be half that with a good RSSI. 25MB/s is achievable even at 3x3:3 802.11ac 5GHz(450Mbps) PlexMediaPlayer-1.2.3.624-1847d050.Generic-x86_64.tar 100% 261MB 26.0MB/s 00:10
Not to sure now but I think I was getting 8-15 MB/s when I reconnected my antenna and I thought that was fairly good for that adapter but its nowhere near what I would get with a wired connection.
Even the NUC7i(x) devices wonāt be that fast, theyāre 2x2 devices (AC 866) and if weāre lucky we might see 20-25 MB/s.
It is possible to see 50MB/s with the following:
An association using 802.11ac
MCS index of 9
80MHz wide channel utilization
400ns Short Guard Internal
2 spatial streams
RSSI -65dB or higher
Noise -90dB and lower
In fact my D54250wyk has 2x2 wireless and I used to only get around 10-15 MB/s, last time I checked, which was a while ago now, and I think it actually performs worse with my recent AC 2133 router at around 4-5 MB/s (seen recently in passing), not sure whatās going on there, it should be at least 10-15 MB/s.
LOL, it could be either these days.
I can get 70-90 MB/s router to router (fairly close with not to many obstacles) with AC 2133 devices.
And as the wireless technology has evolved performance seems to have improved so that newer lower capacity (2x2 and even 1x1) devices perform reasonably well.
What make and model is your WiFi router?
Yeah, which one, Iāve had quite a few over AC 1300 through AC 2133 ā¦
Right now Iām using a Netgear D7800, a Netgear R8500 and an ASUS RT-AC88U both on media bridge mode.
But I have a couple of AC 1733 devices which have shown pretty good router to router throughput.
In fact the AC 1733 and above seem to get somewhat more than half the sync rate throughput, a pleasant surprise, but mostly thatās only router to router (since the clients are usually are usually not more than AC 866).
LOL, it could be either these days.
I can get 70-90 MB/s router to router (fairly close with not to many obstacles) with AC 2133 devices.
And as the wireless technology has evolved performance seems to have improved so that newer lower capacity (2x2 and even 1x1) devices perform reasonably well.
What make and model is your WiFi router?
Yeah, which one, Iāve had quite a few over AC 1300 through AC 2133 ā¦
I am interested because 2133Mbps isnāt an official 802.11ac MCS index rate. I usually see those numbers when they market 1300+600=1900 or 1733+600=2333.
Right now Iām using a Netgear D7800, a Netgear R8500 and an ASUS RT-AC88U both on media bridge mode.
Nice. Makes sense now. They have a proprietary mode using 1024QAM. I am using a WLC and Cisco APs.
Modulation
256-QAM, rate 3/4 and 5/6, added as optional modes (vs. 64-QAM, rate 5/6 maximum in 802.11n).
Some vendors offer a non-standard 1024-QAM mode, providing 25% higher data rate compared to 256-QAM
But I have a couple of AC 1733 devices which have shown pretty good router to router throughput.
In fact the AC 1733 and above seem to get somewhat more than half the sync rate throughput, a pleasant surprise, but mostly thatās only router to router (since the clients are usually are usually not more than AC 866).
Mostly only desktop devices with the 3x3:3 and 4x4:4 configurations for 1300 and 1733 respectively.
Not to sure now but I think I was getting 8-15 MB/s when I reconnected my antenna and I thought that was fairly good for that adapter but its nowhere near what I would get with a wired connection.
Even the NUC7i(x) devices wonāt be that fast, theyāre 2x2 devices (AC 866) and if weāre lucky we might see 20-25 MB/s.
It is possible to see 50MB/s with the following:
An association using 802.11ac
MCS index of 9
80MHz wide channel utilization
400ns Short Guard Internal
2 spatial streams
RSSI -65dB or higher
Noise -90dB and lower
Right, Iām not that up with the wireless technology, other than the obvious RSSI and Noise values and the channel width.
I wouldnāt have thought the guard interval would make that much differenceā¦
I did start to try and lean about wireless and wireless drivers at one point but didnāt get very far.
In fact my D54250wyk has 2x2 wireless and I used to only get around 10-15 MB/s, last time I checked, which was a while ago now, and I think it actually performs worse with my recent AC 2133 router at around 4-5 MB/s (seen recently in passing), not sure whatās going on there, it should be at least 10-15 MB/s.
Indeed, it should be possible to get 20-25 MB/s but the location of the NUC is not good.
Itās fairly close to the router at about 8-9 meters but itās lowish in the stand, it has a 3 seater lounge, a wall making various angles to it along the path to the router, a bookcase and a fridge also in between.
Itās not surprising throughput is poor.
If I need to get UHD resolutions to it Iāll plug it into the RT-AC88U not far from it. Iāve spent a bit more time positioning it so I get better throughput and, well, itās an AC 2133 device so the pipe through which the data travels is a bit larger too.
For now Iām happy to keep the router turned off when I donāt need it, saves a little power.
Not to sure now but I think I was getting 8-15 MB/s when I reconnected my antenna and I thought that was fairly good for that adapter but its nowhere near what I would get with a wired connection.
Even the NUC7i(x) devices wonāt be that fast, theyāre 2x2 devices (AC 866) and if weāre lucky we might see 20-25 MB/s.
It is possible to see 50MB/s with the following:
An association using 802.11ac
MCS index of 9
80MHz wide channel utilization
400ns Short Guard Internal
2 spatial streams
RSSI -65dB or higher
Noise -90dB and lower
Right, Iām not that up with the wireless technology, other than the obvious RSSI and Noise values and the channel width.
I wouldnāt have thought the guard interval would make that much differenceā¦ http://mcsindex.com
I did start to try and lean about wireless and wireless drivers at one point but didnāt get very far.
Networking is one of several of my engineering disciplines for 25yrs+
In fact my D54250wyk has 2x2 wireless and I used to only get around 10-15 MB/s, last time I checked, which was a while ago now, and I think it actually performs worse with my recent AC 2133 router at around 4-5 MB/s (seen recently in passing), not sure whatās going on there, it should be at least 10-15 MB/s.
Indeed, it should be possible to get 20-25 MB/s but the location of the NUC is not good.
Itās fairly close to the router at about 8-9 meters but itās lowish in the stand, it has a 3 seater lounge, a wall making various angles to it along the path to the router, a bookcase and a fridge also in between.
Itās not surprising throughput is poor.
If I need to get UHD resolutions to it Iāll plug it into the RT-AC88U not far from it. Iāve spent a bit more time positioning it so I get better throughput and, well, itās an AC 2133 device so the pipe through which the data travels is a bit larger too.
For now Iām happy to keep the router turned off when I donāt need it, saves a little power.
You may want to disable that 1024QAM performance mode. It reduces range and I could be the reason why you donāt see higher throughput on your devices at those higher association rates.
@Ach!lles said:
You may want to disable that 1024QAM performance mode. It reduces range and I could be the reason why you donāt see higher throughput on your devices at those higher association rates.
Ok, so your recommending running the routers in up to AC 1733 for the 5Ghz which might actually give better throughput for not so good locations. Thanks, Iāll give that a try.
Oh, and those numbers, I think I should have used AC 2166 not 2133, oops!
@Ach!lles said:
You may want to disable that 1024QAM performance mode. It reduces range and I could be the reason why you donāt see higher throughput on your devices at those higher association rates.
Sadly the Netgear device isnāt very configurable, next option below āUp to 2165 Mbpsā is āUp to 1000 Mpbsā.
@Ach!lles said:
You may want to disable that 1024QAM performance mode. It reduces range and I could be the reason why you donāt see higher throughput on your devices at those higher association rates.
Ok, so your recommending running the routers in up to AC 1733 for the 5Ghz which might actually give better throughput for not so good locations. Thanks, Iāll give that a try.
Oh, and those numbers, I think I should have used AC 2166 not 2133, oops!
1733Mbps rate is the 802.11ac standard for 4x4:4. 2166 is a non-standard rate.
@Ach!lles said:
You may want to disable that 1024QAM performance mode. It reduces range and I could be the reason why you donāt see higher throughput on your devices at those higher association rates.
Sadly the Netgear device isnāt very configurable, next option below āUp to 2165 Mbpsā is āUp to 1000 Mpbsā.
So, the 2x2 of the NUC7i3(x) is maxed at 20 to 25 MB/s and the Movie is question is 25 GB, which should result in a demand of 3.51805556 MBps
that is still well under the mark, and the buffer should fill rather easily. Using VLC, i can play the movie over the network with no problem on the very NUC.
While, I clearly donāt have anywhere near the level of expertise you two have, I can still tell it should play. right?
@wesman said:
So, the 2x2 of the NUC7i3(x) is maxed at 20 to 25 MB/s and the Movie is question is 25 GB, which should result in a demand of 3.51805556 MBps
that is still well under the mark, and the buffer should fill rather easily. Using VLC, i can play the movie over the network with no problem on the very NUC.
While, I clearly donāt have anywhere near the level of expertise you two have, I can still tell it should play. right?
Are you saying it doesnāt?
@wesman said:
So, the 2x2 of the NUC7i3(x) is maxed at 20 to 25 MB/s and the Movie is question is 25 GB, which should result in a demand of 3.51805556 MBps
that is still well under the mark, and the buffer should fill rather easily. Using VLC, i can play the movie over the network with no problem on the very NUC.
While, I clearly donāt have anywhere near the level of expertise you two have, I can still tell it should play. right?
Are you saying it doesnāt?
Correct, I am saying it doesnāt, see video linked below
@wesman said:
So, the 2x2 of the NUC7i3(x) is maxed at 20 to 25 MB/s and the Movie is question is 25 GB, which should result in a demand of 3.51805556 MBps
Like I said, Iāve seen much lower throughput just lately on a similar (wirelesly anyway) NUC.
So donāt know what is going on with your machine.
But I have plugged in my NUC5CAYH (which has AC 433, max sync. of 433 Mbps) and I have a ~19 Mbps movie to test with.
Not sure when Iāll get to test it as I have to get my son off his games to use it and Iāve probably got some problems to fix first too. Also, atm, Iāll be using Plex for Kodi.
I know the wireless is a different card altogether but it is the same vintage so would be an interesting experiment at least.
@wesman said:
So, the 2x2 of the NUC7i3(x) is maxed at 20 to 25 MB/s and the Movie is question is 25 GB, which should result in a demand of 3.51805556 MBps
Like I said, Iāve seen much lower throughput just lately on a similar (wirelesly anyway) NUC.
So donāt know what is going on with your machine.
But I have plugged in my NUC5CAYH (which has AC 433, max sync. of 433 Mbps) and I have a ~19 Mbps movie to test with.
Not sure when Iāll get to test it as I have to get my son off his games to use it and Iāve probably got some problems to fix first too. Also, atm, Iāll be using Plex for Kodi.
I know the wireless is a different card altogether but it is the same vintage so would be an interesting experiment at least.
As I said I would check on this.
But Iām still using Plex for Kodi because when I tried to go back to I had a problem with the the screen appearing dark, even though I had set everything up to be limited, passthrough,limited which had been working fine previously, so Iām staying with Plex for Kodi for now. Also, even though I prefer the layout of PMP, there are a couple of features that mean a lot to me that are present in Plex for Kodi but not present in PMP.
Anyway, I had no trouble playing my ~19 Mbps 1080p movie with the AC 433 wireless on the NUC6CAYH within my wireless environment (and TBH I shouldnāt have, having spent so much time on my wireless setup I should be able to play somewhat higher bit-rate shows). I guess Iāll need to wait until I get some UHD resolution content to push this further.
@wesman said:
So, the 2x2 of the NUC7i3(x) is maxed at 20 to 25 MB/s and the Movie is question is 25 GB, which should result in a demand of 3.51805556 MBps
Like I said, Iāve seen much lower throughput just lately on a similar (wirelesly anyway) NUC.
So donāt know what is going on with your machine.
But I have plugged in my NUC5CAYH (which has AC 433, max sync. of 433 Mbps) and I have a ~19 Mbps movie to test with.
Not sure when Iāll get to test it as I have to get my son off his games to use it and Iāve probably got some problems to fix first too. Also, atm, Iāll be using Plex for Kodi.
I know the wireless is a different card altogether but it is the same vintage so would be an interesting experiment at least.
As I said I would check on this.
But Iām still using Plex for Kodi because when I tried to go back to I had a problem with the the screen appearing dark, even though I had set everything up to be limited, passthrough,limited which had been working fine previously, so Iām staying with Plex for Kodi for now.
I covered that here. Not sure what needs to be updated mpv or LE8.
Also, even though I prefer the layout of PMP, there are a couple of features that mean a lot to me that are present in Plex for Kodi but not present in PMP.
