What is Enhanced Program Guide?

This is a DVR Beta 3 thing, I think.

Without being facetious, does it not explain what the extra info downloaded is in your screenshot?

We use our metadata servers to enhance what comes from the EPG providers.

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I’m not sure it was caused by ticking the Enhanced option but one show got recorded today (FIS Ski Jumping) where I had two recordings before that (both recorded with Beta 2 without enhanced program guide) with Gracenote Metadata and now the show/season picture, show description, episode description and filenames have been retroactively erased (e.g. filename now just “Episode 09-14” instead of “Sommer Grand Prix Chaikovsky”) when the third episode was recorded with enhanced program guide.

Could also be a bug with Beta 3 unrelated to the Enhanced program guide option. What does “we use our metadata servers” mean @elan? Where do you get it the additional metadata from?

@Wiidesire said:
Could also be a bug with Beta 3 unrelated to the Enhanced program guide option.

Hmm, I doubt it’s related to the enhanced metadata. There were definitely bugs in beta 2 which could cause artwork to be lost (and you might not notice for a bit until caches were cleared). It shouldn’t happen with shows newly recorded with beta 3.

What does “we use our metadata servers” mean @elan? Where do you get it the additional metadata from?

From a wide variety (and constantly evolving) set of sources :slight_smile:

Today the fourth “episode” of FIS Ski Jumping was recorded. However poster and show description have not been added “back”. The fourth episode does have a normal name (not recording date) and episode description though.

Really weird thing going on here.
@elan Which file in the logs would be useful to take a look at? Don’t want to go through each of them.

@Wiidesire said:
Today the fourth “episode” of FIS Ski Jumping was recorded. However poster and show description have not been added “back”. The fourth episode does have a normal name (not recording date) and episode description though.

Yeah, unfortunately if the poster was nuked for the show and isn’t available via TVDB, it won’t come back. You can add it back manually for now in the standard way.

@elan
Over the last days it has happened to two additional shows. So three shows in total so far where Gracenote Metadata has been retroactively erased for the whole show (poster, description, episode discriptions, episode names etc.).

I’ve now disabled the Enhanced Program Guide option, hopefully it will stop now. If it doesn’t, it’s definitely a new bug introduced in Beta 3.

The issue was resolved in Beta 3 by disabling the Enhanced Program Guide. I recorded many items over nearly two months and it didn’t happen anymore.

With Beta 4 however two shows already got their Gracenote Metadata wiped retroactively in just two days (Enhanced Program Guide disabled). One of the affected shows has over 50 items so it’s a huge bummer.
I could live with missing posters, description etc. (because I can manually add them back), but I don’t understand why the names get replaced by the recording date without Gracenote Metadata. The name of the file is still the same. Even if the Gracenote Metadata retroactive delete bug can’t be fixed, I hope it’s possible not to default to the recording date but instead take the name from the filename.

Maybe this is also tied to this issue @elan https://forums.plex.tv/discussion/comment/1319419/#Comment_1319419?

@Wiidesire ~ I’m trying to imagine what would cause this to happen. I’m also not clear on why disabling the enhanced EPG would work around the issue. Can you provide more details, possibly logs around recording of an item which causes the issue?

In general, if the show exists in the library, it shouldn’t be touched at all when recording a new episode.

To be clear, I’m sure there’s a bug here and we’ll fix it, just need to understand exactly what’s happening and how to reproduce, as I haven’t seen it locally.

@elan Thank you for the fast answers and acknowledgment, much appreciated.
I sent you a log from Beta 4 via PM.
I got one more from 1st October (Beta 3), let me know if you need the additional one for troubleshooting.

Btw. the bug also happened when I deleted one episode manually via Windows explorer. The Gracenote Metadata was deleted for the whole show. If I remember correctly I saved a log on 16th November for that as well.

@tachtevrenidis said:

This is a DVR Beta 3 thing, I think.

I am lost on what exactly in the Program Guide is “enhanced” and what information is “richer”
? The only thing checking the box clearly tells me for certain is that my Program Guide will refresh slower. “Enhanced” or “non-enhanced” I can’t tell a difference in teh Program Guide itself. “Enhanced” and “richer information” are vague terms at best.

Does Plex.tv offer/show any examples of the benefits of “enhanced” vs “non-enhanced” Program Guides?

I’m sure this isn’t snake oil, but help me understand what is actually different. Include examples please!

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@bradbart948 said:

@tachtevrenidis said:

This is a DVR Beta 3 thing, I think.

I am lost on what exactly in the Program Guide is “enhanced” and what information is “richer”
? The only thing checking the box clearly tells me for certain is that my Program Guide will refresh slower. “Enhanced” or “non-enhanced” I can’t tell a difference in teh Program Guide itself. “Enhanced” and “richer information” are vague terms at best.

Does Plex.tv offer/show any examples of the benefits of “enhanced” vs “non-enhanced” Program Guides?

I’m sure this isn’t snake oil, but help me understand what is actually different. Include examples please!

I was under the impression its designed for tv shows (and some movies) that aren’t extremely popular so where ever plex gets its meta data from might not have any info on that show, so enabling this will pull meta data from where ever plex pulls program data from which may have more info. So for example the tv show “my lottery dream house” probably doesn’t have any data on imdb or where ever plex pulls from, but will have data where ever they get the data for the program guide.

I’ll bite. Here’s a screenshot of the Recommended section of my Live TV & DVR with Enhanced Guide de-selected:

And here’s a screenshot with Enhanced Guide selected:

So, at the very least, it was able to find a greater number of posters for the shows in my guide. There may be other “enhancements” as well, I’m not sure.

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That’s as may be; however, regarding the subject of this thread, selecting the Enhanced Guide option does result in different data being available. There are other threads on these forums which discuss the missing show posters.

Fair enough. Just keep in mind that guide data are market specific; so the quality of what I see in mine won’t necessarily reflect what you see in your own.

I suspect what the ‘enhanced’ guide is supposed to is show more details about the show/movie.

It’s purpose and/or functionality may have also been changed due to the recent change of guide data providers.

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