8K support

Hello together,

I am Aware this Topic is not relevant for a lot yet - but as Enthusiast I Need to get this out: I just got myself an 8K TV - and have several 8K demo Videos and short-videos (plenty on Youtube, though the Samsung Youtube APP does not support 8K … bummer). So I now have this stuff on an USB-Stick - but I would love to stream it over plex. My Network is fully cabled 100MBIT - my Server is running on a Synology NAS (8 Bay NAS - 1817+).

I am not Looking into transcoding but simply playing the original Content ( file Format is WEBM - 8k with this Format is alraedy supported by VLC player)

Any Chance this is being thought of already?

Cheers

If you have DirectPlay compatible video and force it to direct play in the app settings, there should be no reason it won’t direct play.

The bitrate is below your 100 Mbit bottle neck?! Even 4k Bluray remuxes sometimes break that threshold.

@Coxeroni
thanks for mentioning that. i forgot to mention that most TV ethernet adapters are 100 Mbps and 8K will blast right through that barrier.

This will definitely need gigabit

The OP even claims he has a “fully cabled 100MBIT” network, so not only the TV might be problem. Btw. some TVs are able to work with those gigabit LAN USB devices, but in this case other components might need an upgrade too.

At least the Synology is up to snuff. It will sustain gigabit nicely.

If you have a trunking switch, it will run 4 lanes of LACP gigabit too :smiling_imp:

I wonder when we will see 8K content. Movies aren’t even being mastered in 6K yet.

Agree, probably a waste of money currently (sorry @tntdoc_1980). Most of them aren’t even mastered in 4k are they?

Thanks for your thoughts - I agree that this is a bit too early most likely.

To clarify my setup: I have Gigabit at home - fully wired incl. gigabit switches - with a full 1GBIT+ synchronus fiber connection (marketed as 10GBit but most I got out of it was 3GBit/s - and my internal network is not yet upgraded to 10Gbit yet.
In all measure points (apple TV, Shield TV, Computers, etc …) I measure most of the time 900Mbit+ Up+download in my network - so theoretical I could even stream over internet in highest quality if my connection speed when I am on the go keeps up. Mobile network in my area on 4G+ has peaks of 300-400MBit. I have not upgraded my mobile yet to 5G but this is also available with one of the best coverages worldwide. So the infrastructure for me is already capable of 8k streaming.

@Coxeroni - I fully agree that most material is not masterered yet … the reason I stated that its an enthusiast topic.

A lot of experts say 8K will not land commercially the next 10 years … I think it will land earlier but thats looking into a cristal ball. Interestingly e.g. a couple of youtube content producers seem to be ahead of hollywood as they actually capture their raw material in 8K (e.g. with RED) - such as Linus tech tips. And very few hollywood productions have been captured in 8K though not fully produced in 8K yet. The commercial landing will very much depend on broad accessibility of fast internet - and I am not talking 100Mbit.

@ChuckPa - and you can even upgrade the Synology with a PCI-E 10GBit card … but I am a bit hesitant still to upgrade my entire network … but eventually I will :wink:

If I had a syno which were upgradable , I would have. :slight_smile:

I did not upgrade the entire network – No point.

The core backbone is 10 GbE. This is provided by a Netgear GS110EMX. No frills, managed, LACP capability with 2x M-gig ports

Mappings:
ports 1-4: Synology DS1815 - discrete addresses
ports 5-8: LACP 1 GbE (4 Gbps total) to HPE 1820-24 serving the entire house.
port 9: NUC8-i7HVK (Akitio T3TGAA0008Y000 T3-10G Thunderbolt NIC)
port 10: QNAP TVS-1282-i7-7700 (Aquantia AQC-107 - QNAP labeled 1x 10 GbE)

8K can be delivered (and will be delivered) using much less then 100Mbps.
The H.265 encoding is much more efficient (then on 1080) on 4K and even more so on 8K.

New codecs (MPEG iteration of HECV) are coming (AV1 & VVC) and currently VVC is aiming to be about 50% more efficient then HECV today. Currently it’s about 30% more efficient then HVEC.
Count 3-5 years to reach that goal.

So … all in all I think broadcasters will be delivering very good 8K in the homes with about 40-60Mbps.
I think that “slow” 100Mbps LAN port on TV will be around for quite some years.

I would not be so sure on that statement, where is your information on that subject sourced. Has Samsung and LG contacted you with a statement?

Since Netflix does 4k with 15 MBps, your estimation might be reasonable.

These is my interpretation during some reading on sources streamingmedia.com
Video from from Peter Chave (Principal Architect for AKAMAI).
I think these guys know what they are talking about.

Offcourse this is Internet (OTT) streaming, if you at home with some 4K/8K “rips” in the future with a ridiculous bitrate things are different.