Monsters - Three Mini Series NETFLIX - Known Past issues

Hey all with the 3rd series or season if you consider it one show soon to drop and there was issues witf detecting does anyone know has his been fixed and what the best settings to use to detect it maybe as 3 SEPRATE series / or do we just bite the bullet and have as 3 seasons and amnually updatre the metadata and covers, untill a refresh and ya hard work is overridden

Noting TMDB has it as 3 seprate shows (Though 2 are Monster and 1 is Monsters)

TVDB has it as 3 seasons of one show “Monster (2022)

Thoughts???

I have it as one show/series using the tvdb as my episode ordering/metadata agent and it’s working well.

Edit: I did notice that the show description is still coming from tmdb for the original show, so one would need to manually edit that to align to all of the seasons.

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Ditto

Follow this meaning strategy and you should be fine.

Another very important tip is to assign the Original title as, “Monster” so that it will appear at the top of your search.

If you don’t, the series will sort at the bottom of not at all.

Do this for all series that have (19xx) at the end of the title.

I still use TheTVdb for all my TV matching.

It’s set as the default ordering, etc how my library.

It’s reliable and very consistent on it’s naming, and artwork is highly scrutinized for quality and accuracy.

You can also try this (suggested it by CoPilot) for your folder names.

Monster - Dahmer (2022) {tmdb-114461}

Monster - Menendez (2024) {tmdb-123456}

Hey mate ok it kinda works my issue is when you look at the info text and crew it only draws data for Dahmer not the other

i might give that ago I do have it set right now as one folder like yours above

TMDB ordering and matching won’t work, believe me I know! There are many threads on it. Plex removed the ids for separated matching for these shows and combined them into a single entry forcing tvdb ordering.

You can only use tvdb episode order atm which is a huge pain point for many of us. See DAHMER - Monster: The Jeffrey Dahmer Story -- multiple tmdb ids for additional details.

I have always been using theTVdb for Monster(s) and other shows, but why do you think that TMBD is correct and the others are not?

Same network, same creators, producers, theme, plotline with the same Title.

This is nothing new as MANY series give sessions their own unique titles and have been for a very long time.

The difference seems to be, TMDB has chosen to go against the norms and spit a series into individual mini-series - which you prefer, and I personally would benefit from as well, but I know how important a standard is and how it makes creating and organizing my libraries simple and routine.

I would argue that your complaint should be with TMDB or make a request to Plex to allow users to manually split series seasons into separate mini -series, or, which I think is much more realistic, add additional “original title" fields so that users searching for a “mini-series” will be directed to the proper series/season.

Standards

If platforms do not conform to industry standards, then their is chaos and likely breaks decades of organization.

Its nothing to do with being correct or not. Its about the rules which one online metadata source uses over other to order their episodes. TMDB uses how the show(s) were originally aired as one of their cornerstone rules whereas others like tvdb or imdb can later change things, and in this case they combine into a single show. See Reported Problem for Monsters - Discuss Monsters: The Lyle and Erik Menendez Story — The Movie Database (TMDB) if your interested.

The problem therefor is that plex advertise that they support episode ordering from multiple sources. This is somewhat inaccurate as they only support it when they want to. This example (and there are a few others so its not a single isolated case) are not supported by plex when using tmdb episode ordering.

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You can disagree with me and have your own opinion, but you should first look up online to see if they’re are stands before you reply back.

I don’t 3 standards, they go back as far as the Dewey Decimal system - there are 3 that are relevant to this topic if you care to look them up.

But you be you.

Let’s agree to disagree on this.

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whereas others like tvdb or imdb can later change things

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As far as TheTVdb, that can happen when newbies or people who think they know better create their own series every.

Other than that, their is aired ordering, DVD ordering, and others, but that all the ones i have experience with (I have a very large TV library I’ve been recording and collecting for nearly 30 years.

But I’m open learning something new.

A reported problem does not make it a problem, just like you can’t call the sky red and it turns red.

That’s arrogant.

The series you are referring to IS one reflection series. So, no problem there.

Here is an example that many should be familiar with.

Should watch episode of the Twilight Zone be one series or dozens and dozens of single movies?

not a good example? Probably not, so there is another one.

American Horror Story

True Detective

The White Lotus

Black Mirror

Are these shows any different that Monster?

I personally would be looking for a way to use what you have work the way you want, rather than working from the outside to get not only Plex, but it seems TheTVdb and am the others to do things your way. I didn’t think that is realistic.

If you feel this passionate about this, you are arguing to push the example I have earlier for Plex to add multiple Alternate Title fields that users can fill in with the sessions titles, or request that Plex searches not only the Series tiles even searching, but also have it include season Titles.

She you staying that Plex does not allow for different ordering? They do, I have plenty of shows matching to different ordering.

Are you expecting that they make it so that you or anyone can create any order you want? Or only the ordering you want?

The bottom line is, this advertising is true/accurate.

As for believing that they are only allowing users to do this there way, could be interpreted as patient tri, but even if you consider this to be only partially true, the fact is, they are providing what they say they are.

You can’t expect any one company to offer everything everyone wants. That not practical and impossible up update, maintain, etc., plus, the requests from users would be literally endless.

I’ve shared as much advice as I feel this topic is worth and then some.

I hope you find peace and a resolution you can be happy with.

the Only standard TVDB have and follow is what ever they decide at any given time.
They constantly change how shows are organised, most often the opposite of how they aired.

One very simple example is Mythbusters. TVDB got the most ridiculous “ordering” of that show where they mix “10 year” old episodes with “latest” episode in same “season”.

You can also look up “American Dad”. That “tvdb show” is notorious

TMDB uses the Original Correct air ordering, with one exception (probably more for same reason). Firefly..

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There are a few, buffy is another one due to Reported Problem for Earshot (3x22) - Discuss Buffy the Vampire Slayer — The Movie Database (TMDB) but you have to admire tmdb for their rules, they really do stick to them.

Its the wild west at tvdb / imdb. You may not agree with tmdb and their rules but they do adhere to them.

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Does this mean using “tvdb (dvd) ordering” for a series is broken? When I do it, I get DVD order metadata pointing to the the episodes still playing in “tvdb aired” order.

I don’t think so. Looking at tvdb it appears the aired order and dvd order is the same for this show so in theory they should match in plex, I’ve never tried it.

What is broken is tmdb matching and episode ordering based on how tmdb structure the show(s).

And yet the 3rd series is recognised by Plex as a standalone entitiy correct meta data but the second wont….. ARGH!!!