You talking the color/transparency of the bar? I don’t have an issue with Fast Forward, but if you’re talking just the GUI display for the bar itself I would agree with you. The middle being completely transparent and just an outline looks a little odd to me.
Looks like they’re working now but didn’t see anything in the notes, thanks!
One issue I was hoping using the experimental player would fix is the time it takes to playback live tv. For example, with Channels DVR (and with tuner sharing enabled meaning that it’s streamed through the tuner to the Channels DVR server and then to my Plex client) it takes about 3 seconds from selecting the channel to playback starting. In Plex it takes about 8 seconds. It’s a big difference between the two, even though in both no transcoding is required.
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With the newest version testing the experimental player and Live TV:
Anything with a scrolling bar on a channel using interlacing (only broadcast channels for me) it’s jerky. I tested this in Good Morning America ABC the scroll bar was visibly jerky. I switched to some channels that use AVC like CNN, Fox News, and ESPN and generally have scrolling going on and they played without any visible jerky ness to the scroll bar.
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I much preferred the FF of the old player, at least I didnt have to pause and fast forward. If I FF now I cant just right click like I used to. Much more of a hassle now. Plex should learn from Infuse on how to do this since it works perfectly on the ATV 4.
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No idea which part of FF you’re talking about. It works just like it used to for me, and basically exactly like Infuse from what I just tested. On my Apple TV remote if I click once it will FF 10 seconds; if I click and hold it will do a traditional fast forward. On my harmony if I press the fast forward button it will do a tradition fast forward; if I pause and then hit fast forward it will do the 10 second jump. This works very similar across most apps.
Not for me, I use the Apple remote and before I just used to press the right side of the button and it used to ff smoothly. Now it just stops then I have to gesture right to move forward and because of the sensitivity it can skip quite a few minutes. Doesnt work like it used to. If I click once, it just pauses the video, so not sure what click you are referring to.
I’m not seeing that here so it seems like some sort of bug you’re seeing I’m not. Hopefully @sergiou87 can help you out.
Are you sure it was jerky with ABC since that feed would be 720P?
Just to verify I did a quick wget and here’s the mediainfo showing my ABC is MPEG-2 1080i.
Video
ID : 3953 (0xF71)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : MPEG Video
Format version : Version 2
Format profile : Main@High
Format settings : BVOP
Format settings, BVOP : Yes
Format settings, Matrix : Default
Format settings, GOP : M=4, N=30
Format settings, picture structure : Frame
Codec ID : 2
Duration : 5 s 939 ms
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 2 983 kb/s
Maximum bit rate : 25.0 Mb/s
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 29.970 (30000/1001) FPS
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Interlaced
Scan order : Top Field First
Compression mode : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.048
Stream size : 2.11 MiB (78%)
Color primaries : BT.709
Transfer characteristics : BT.709
Matrix coefficients : BT.709
Thats weird since FOX and ABC are 720p whereas CBS, CW, NBC and PBS are 1080i
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Just Reporting The below issue has not been resolved on the latest beta with Enhanced player ON.
Not expected:
All 4K HDR Movies with True HD 7.1 Atmos video transcodes and audio transcodes to EAC3 5.1, no subtitles in video.
The rest of the combinations are expected:
Enhanced Player ON
4K HDR with any DTS audio - video direct streams and audio transcodes to EA3 5.1
Enhanced player OFF - some movies stutter e.g The Dark Knight 4K HDR MKV which was tested and acknowledged by a plex employee last year.
4K HDR TrueHD 7.1 Atmos - video Direct streams and audio transcodes to EAC 5.1.
4K HDR with any DTS audio - video direct streams and audio transcodes to EAC3 5.1
My Equipment: Apple TV 4K > LG SK10Y TrueHD Atmos/LPCM 7.1 soundbar > LG OLED B8
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I checked my OTA and Comcast, and both ABC channels are 1080i.
Thats still weird from your local ABC broadcaster since thats not the ABC standard. Which ABC callsign is this?
@timstephens24 The jerky motion is due to the method of deinterlacing that is employed. The result is spatial resolution is resolved but temporal resolution is lost. The current iOS and tvOS devices do not have a HW deinterlacer and do not have enough processing power to deinterlace for both spatial and temporal resolution in software.
For example:
1080i60 becomes 1080p30 rather than 1080p60.
The ABC affiliate in your area is definitely off the standard. Thats too bad for you. I am going to reach out to them out of curiousity and ask them why they deviate from the ABC standard.
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Can you confirm that your local Channel 6.1 is 1080i, 6.2 is 720p, and 6.3 & 6.4 are 480i?
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Exactly. I was reporting it since @sergiou87 just added interlacing and live tv support to the experimental player in the most recent beta. Other apps with their interlacing methods (like Channels which uses linear by default) doesn’t have this issue, and I also didn’t see the issue in Infuse which uses a customized lanczos deinterlacing method.
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Just did the tests:
6.1 is 1080i.
6.2 is 720p.
6.3 and 6.4 are 480i.
Those apps maybe slightly better but I still can observe loss of temporal resolution using all those apps on iOS and tvOS. @sergiou87 and I have had lengthy discussions re: this issue. Currently there are no iOS or tvOS app that will take 60 fields and deinterlace them to 60 frames. Its a frustrating challenge since Apple does not support either HW MPEG2 decoder nor a HW deinterlacer that would allow for 1080i60 to 1080p60 without dropped frames.
