Plex Cloud vs VPS - why we went with a VPS

First of all, I’d like to thank Plex for providing the Cloud service. I’m sure it will be a great asset for many, and the fact it’s included in the Plex Pass is beyond awesome. I’m also grateful to have been part of the beta, that was so much fun!

However, there are a few reasons why we won’t be using the cloud after all, except as a backup service.

A short history: in 2014 we became really serious in using Plex. I converted all our media to digital format and we bought a Windows PC to use as a dedicated HTPC. It works well enough, but there are a few drawbacks. Plex cannot wake the computer using WOL, so we always had to use another app to wake up the computer, since it’s only the two of us and we don’t want to run it 24/7. As the years went by, our movie/TV collection only grew. We already had a 2TB drive, added a 4TB one, and then another 4TB. Total of 10TB and even that is starting to burst at the seams. With no more room for another drive - so we’d have to either replace one of them for an 8TB drive, or buy a NAS and yet another HD. Which means spending $$$ either way.

Just when we had to start facing that decision, along came Plex Cloud - AND an offer from our ISP for unlimited 150Mbps up and downstream. It was the answer to all our wishes, seemingly. Unlimited storage for $60/year with Amazon and no hassle of maintaining a server! Well, we all knew what happened to ACD support - so I bought 2 unlimited Google Drive accounts on eBay to supplement our ACD subscription. All accounts are still going strong, I’m happy to say, but of course we had to be prepared to lose them at any moment in time.

Fast forward to last week. The cloud had long been reduced to “oh yes, let’s test to see if things have improved yet”, because for daily use it was way too wonky. Refusing to start more often than not, severe buffering and unable to play any bluray MKV file, we figured it would be less of a PITA to go back to DVD than continue to use the cloud. But ah well, it’s beta, it will improve… until to my tremendous surprise it suddenly was out of beta altogether. I quickly tested a few troublesome movies, with no improvement whatsoever, buffering is as bad as always.

In the meantime, thanks to you guys I learned how to set up Plex with a VPS service and a mounted ACD drive through rclone. I was absolutely shocked how smooth it worked even on a bare bone single core with 256MB RAM! Not only that, but all the bells and whistles of a home server are available, including trakt.tv and other plugins, offline sync, and a connection to any 3rd party cloud storage we’d want.

When it was announced that cloud is now out of beta, we decided it doesn’t work well enough for our needs. We bit the bullet and purchased a VPS service from SSDNodes, who currently has a special offer of 4 cores, 8GB RAM, 40GB SSD and 4TB data transfer for less than $80/year. Combined with the $60 for ACD, that means we only need to pay less than $2/month more than for Gsuite alone, and we have complete freedom over our server in any way we like.

Anyway I know it’s a long story, but hopefully it’ll help some to make an informed decision - provided you are not afraid to get your hands dirty with some very unintuitive command typing in Putty :smile:

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But ah well, it’s beta, it will improve… until to my tremendous surprise it suddenly was out of beta altogether.

You’re not alone. The announcement floored me. I expected at least the high-profile issues to be resolved before a public release. Having the server load on the first attempt would have been nice to address as well–or at least not having it disappear constantly while in the middle of browsing on the Web client. There are just some very fundamental, foundational components that should have been working before release.

A VPS can be really nice, but I’ve had very little luck with finding a reliable one that’s reasonably affordable. I’ve found that they’re very hit and miss (mostly miss) in terms of connection peering to my ISP. I think this is the same case with Plex Cloud. For most of the beta, even after switching to GDrive, anything that transcoded through Plex’s servers was unwatchable due to constant buffering. Once they added a datacenter very close to where I am and I switched to it, it’s been smooth as butter. So basically, yeah, YMMV with both VPS and Plex Cloud. Go with what works for you.

Google has some awesome deals on VPS as well. We’ve been using one from a provider for a few years now with no transfer caps and it’s cheap as could be.

@per_PLEX_ed said:
We bit the bullet and purchased a VPS service from SSDNodes, who currently has a special offer of 4 cores, 8GB RAM, 40GB SSD and 4TB data transfer for less than $80/year.
That would be a great deal if it were available but unfortunately the only special offer that I found from SSDNodes is $150/year reduced from $240/year Pricing - SSD Nodes

I am thinking about installing Plex on a VPS as well. Especially because Plex Cloud droped the support for Amazon Drive and also because of all the bugs which are still there.
In the Plex FAQ it is stated that for transcoding one stream a cpu performance of about 1000 PassMark is required. So how does this translate to vCores? The VPS provider only advertise vCores but not their performance…

how many transcodes can you get out of that VPS?

@danemacmillan & @mistame

Exactly. It’s nice to have options and I’d have loved to switch to Plex Cloud - I just don’t feel it’s quite ready yet.

@nigelpb

I used a link that I found on lowendbox.com: https://www.ssdnodes.com/startup-specials/
So far the service has been awesome and you even get a personal welcome message from the founder. You do have to request FUSE if you want to use rclone mount, but they enabled it within the hour.

@mlocher75 & @“war_chicken@hotmail.com

After a lot of research I decided on SSDNodes, but I haven’t personally tested CPU performance or transcodes yet. So far it seems buttery smooth but that’s just one stream. I based my decision on this thread: Reddit - Dive into anything
Quote:

More than enough power to transcode 1080p HEVC and a couple 720p streams simultaneously (probably the hardest I’ve had), I can get many streams of regular 1080/720p h.264 out of it.

That said I don’t endorse or recommend them, it’s just a service I picked and so far, no issues :smile:

@per_PLEX_ed said:
@mlocher75 & @“war_chicken@hotmail.com

After a lot of research I decided on SSDNodes, but I haven’t personally tested CPU performance or transcodes yet. So far it seems buttery smooth but that’s just one stream. I based my decision on this thread: Reddit - Dive into anything
Quote:

More than enough power to transcode 1080p HEVC and a couple 720p streams simultaneously (probably the hardest I’ve had), I can get many streams of regular 1080/720p h.264 out of it.

That said I don’t endorse or recommend them, it’s just a service I picked and so far, no issues :smile:

Many thanks for your response. SSDNodes sounds to be good choice.
Unfortunately I will have to look out for a VPS provider in Europe…

@per_PLEX_ed thank you for your fair and honest write up. I have to say that its been a pleasure reading your posts, comments, and indirectly communicating with you on some of the same topics. Your’s has been one of the logins that grabs my attention, usually in the form of “oh, let’s see what she has to say today!” (as opposed to many others of repeat topics, identical questions, or complaining for the sake of complaining).

That said, I too am operating both a VPS and Plex Cloud today and have enjoyed watching Plex Cloud grow from a concept to a functioning product. But, as you said, it is easy to except certain issues in a beta–that’s what betas are all about–but seeing it “released” really struck a wrong cord. Not just that it isn’t ready for prime time (pun intended when it comes to watching TV shows) but that the influx in the number of users raising the same questions/concerns/bugs that have already been reported has caused me to visit the forum much less frequently (I simply cannot reply anymore to multiple topics that are sequentially posted about the same exact subject). I like to mark all posts as “read” so that I can truly see the new posts or responses on my next visit but there are literally pages of new subjects that really aren’t that “new” if you get my drift.

My experience with the VPS has been positive but my VPS isn’t 100% reliable yet either. A lot of it comes from me choosing to host the VPS on another continent while my data is still in the US (mainly because Plex Cloud and I reside in the US). If and when I choose the “winner” I may also choose to move my data or the hosting platform. The VPS has, however, taught me a lot in terms of tweaking the buffering, mounting cloud drives, and automating all my processes (I joke that, should I die, my shows will continue to populate Plex until they’re canceled and my family may not actually know that I’ve left existence).

Farewell and thanks for being part of the community!

Thanks @kelinger :smiley: I hear you, I can’t believe the number of “unlimited Gdrive with less than 5 users” discussions - sometimes I feel like I’m part of a zombie movie in which they just keep coming and coming without ever changing their tune >:)

I’m not going anywhere though, I like this community. I learned so much these past few months - before I barely knew how to spell Linux and now I feel like I have become a total expert…hmm… well… you know what I mean :# I now know the difference between SU and FU and that is a lot for me B)

This screenshot I just took probably sums up best why we decided to go VPS :stuck_out_tongue: HTPC is our local machine in sleep mode, cloud seems in sleep mode as well and the VPS is up and running :wink:

For those looking for a great VPS, i’m very happy with https://bytesized-hosting.com/

Here in the U.K. And I’m using https://zxplay.co.uk
I use the tier 3 model and had No real issues and quick support. Been using for about 3 months and I’m happy.

Me too @per_PLEX_ed… my story is pretty the same.
Plex Cloud has awaken the beast!!! This is now my ecosystem:

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@benamira said:
Me too @per_PLEX_ed… my story is pretty the same.
Plex Cloud has awaken the beast!!! This is now my ecosystem:

I run the same Hetnzer server as well (non-SSD though). Streams to all of my remote family without a hiccup.

@benamira said:
Me too @per_PLEX_ed… my story is pretty the same.
Plex Cloud has awaken the beast!!! This is now my ecosystem:

Oh my word… B) I’m absolute awed by your setup. My biggest concern now is how on earth I can manage to unsee this, because once I start coveting THAT, or I’ll be sleeping on the couch for the rest of my life, watching Plex on a tiny tablet instead of our bedroom projector :smiley: :*

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Hi @benamira

Just wondering why you would use such highly spec’ed VPS’s and 2 of them?

Also, do you sync your watch status between Cloud and your on-site Plex server with something like this?

Looking to do something similar to what you’ve done however trying to do it on a slightly smaller budget.

Any advice would be appreciated.

Thanks

Scot

I would love to see Plex Link up with Synology Cloud Station Drive…

Would be awesome, FiOS has the speed to support a constant upload. Hosting VPS’s can become too much work, I know from a Larger Business Model vs our Home Setups…

It’s in Beta & kicking, we’ll see how it goes from here.

@smacrae1970 said:
Hi @benamira

Just wondering why you would use such highly spec’ed VPS’s and 2 of them?

Also, do you sync your watch status between Cloud and your on-site Plex server with something like this?
https://github.com/jacobwgillespie/plex-sync/blob/master/README.md

Looking to do something similar to what you’ve done however trying to do it on a slightly smaller budget.

Any advice would be appreciated.

Thanks

Scot

Hi,
I only used those temp servers to do the first synchronization betweeen Google Drive → amazons… so i used to copy 30 tb twice (about 2 weeks of usage, cheap)
Currently i keep The synchronization with The main server (Herzner)

I am not syncing watching status between servers, completely independent so far.

Regarding The budget, monthly costs NOW are around 70€:
Hetzner (50€) + Google Drive (9€) + Amazon Drive US (5€) + Amazon EU (5€)

i will be testing and improving my setup during this year and see if i can get rid of the local stuff for 2018.

Hope it helps

@FernandoMiguel3 said:
For those looking for a great VPS, i’m very happy with https://bytesized-hosting.com/

I second this. Very happy with the service that I have with them. (I don’t use their VPS service - yet)

Kev