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@BigStevie1973 said:

@nigelpb said:

@dany20mh said:
@nigelpb

As long as you transfer your file from Amazon to Google Drive, you can sync all of your Google Drive account together without using any bandwidth.
Care to explain how? I’ll have my live Plex files on my proper paid for Google Drive then be backing up to Amazon Cloud Drive & the two other Google Drives

The easiest way to do it is to ‘share’ the files from one Google account with the other Google accounts (unfortunately does not work between Amazon and Google!!) and then once shared, ‘create a copy’. It is important to create a copy or you will lose the ‘shared’ files if they ever get deleted. It creates the copies within seconds so this is much, much quicker than transferring them even if you do have to manually rename the files to remove the word ‘copy’.

Thanks. That sounds straightforward. I don’t think that Plex would even care if ‘copy’ was in the filename either so maybe I won’t even need to edit the names.

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@BigStevie1973 said:

@nigelpb said:

@dany20mh said:
@nigelpb

As long as you transfer your file from Amazon to Google Drive, you can sync all of your Google Drive account together without using any bandwidth.
Care to explain how? I’ll have my live Plex files on my proper paid for Google Drive then be backing up to Amazon Cloud Drive & the two other Google Drives

The easiest way to do it is to ‘share’ the files from one Google account with the other Google accounts (unfortunately does not work between Amazon and Google!!) and then once shared, ‘create a copy’. It is important to create a copy or you will lose the ‘shared’ files if they ever get deleted. It creates the copies within seconds so this is much, much quicker than transferring them even if you do have to manually rename the files to remove the word ‘copy’.

Really? Awesome! So 2 or 3 of those shady 10$ Ebay accounts is all we’d ever need… if one closes for whatever reason, buy another one from another provider and repeat the process.

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@BigStevie1973 @nigelpb

Technically you don’t need to go to that hassle either, you just need to share them and you don’t need to copy them like that (one by one) to own the file, you can use rclone to do that for you and I did for myself and transfer 60Tb just in 1 day.

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@BigStevie1973 said:

@nigelpb said:

@dany20mh said:
@nigelpb

As long as you transfer your file from Amazon to Google Drive, you can sync all of your Google Drive account together without using any bandwidth.
Care to explain how? I’ll have my live Plex files on my proper paid for Google Drive then be backing up to Amazon Cloud Drive & the two other Google Drives

The easiest way to do it is to ‘share’ the files from one Google account with the other Google accounts (unfortunately does not work between Amazon and Google!!) and then once shared, ‘create a copy’. It is important to create a copy or you will lose the ‘shared’ files if they ever get deleted. It creates the copies within seconds so this is much, much quicker than transferring them even if you do have to manually rename the files to remove the word ‘copy’.

Is this also applicable to folders?

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@SIcK

Yes, that’s why I said you don’t need to go to the hassle of making copy of each file, because for a person that has 60Tb like me, doing copy file by file, take forever.

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@dany20mh said:
@SIcK

Yes, that’s why I said you don’t need to go to the hassle of making copy of each file, because for a person that has 60Tb like me, doing copy file by file, take forever.

Thanks.
On my gdrive if I right click on a shared file I have the option to make a copy.
However, if I right click on a shared folder, then I only have options to share, move to, add star, change color, download & remove. I do not have an option to make a copy if I right click on a folder. Am I doing something wrong?

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@SIcK said:

@dany20mh said:
@SIcK

Yes, that’s why I said you don’t need to go to the hassle of making copy of each file, because for a person that has 60Tb like me, doing copy file by file, take forever.

Thanks.
On my gdrive if I right click on a shared file I have the option to make a copy.
However, if I right click on a shared folder, then I only have options to share, move to, add star, change color, download & remove. I do not have an option to make a copy if I right click on a folder. Am I doing something wrong?

Yeah, I see what you mean. You need to go into the shared folder, highlight all files and then right click / make a copy. The downside to this of course is that everything will be named “Copy of …” That said however, I have just found an app add-on for Chrome that allows you to bulk rename files in Google Drive. I haven’t tried it yet but if it does what it says on the tin, it’d be powerful handy!! :wink:

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@dany20mh said:
@BigStevie1973 @nigelpb

Technically you don’t need to go to that hassle either, you just need to share them and you don’t need to copy them like that (one by one) to own the file, you can use rclone to do that for you and I did for myself and transfer 60Tb just in 1 day.

I’m pretty sure If you share from Account A to account B, if/when Account gets closed the file won’t be available on Account B anymore. That’s why making a copy is better.

Does rclone need to download/upload the file to so that?

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rclone needs to download/upload the file. It sounds like making a copy of a file shared from one Google Drive to another creates a snapshot but doesn’t literally make a copy of all the data just copies a link that points to all the data which is why it is so fast.

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@nigelpb said:
rclone needs to download/upload the file. It sounds like making a copy of a file shared from one Google Drive to another creates a snapshot but doesn’t literally make a copy of all the data just copies a link that points to all the data which is why it is so fast.

It does work as originally I shared files from my free GD to my new unlimited one and when I deleted the files from the source folder they were also deleted from the ‘shared’ folder in my new drive. However if I copied them first, they were not deleted. That link I provided allows you to ‘find and replace’ in file names so just ‘find’ "Copy of " and ‘replace’ with “[blank]”. Simples :wink:

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@nigelpb said:
rclone needs to download/upload the file. It sounds like making a copy of a file shared from one Google Drive to another creates a snapshot but doesn’t literally make a copy of all the data just copies a link that points to all the data which is why it is so fast.

Of course on their side it’s just a link, they don’t want to waste space, but the difference like I said is that if “copied” then the original file can be deleted safely

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@SIcK said:
However, if I right click on a shared folder, then I only have options to share, move to, add star, change color, download & remove. I do not have an option to make a copy if I right click on a folder. Am I doing something wrong?

Yes, you can’t make copy from Folder, and that’s why I mentioned it’s not worth it, because if you have many folder, it take a lot of time, unless you use that method I mentioned and your file would move and copy in less than 1 day.

@BigStevie1973 said:
Yeah, I see what you mean. You need to go into the shared folder, highlight all files and then right click / make a copy. The downside to this of course is that everything will be named “Copy of …” That said however, I have just found an app add-on for Chrome that allows you to bulk rename files in Google Drive. I haven’t tried it yet but if it does what it says on the tin, it’d be powerful handy!! :wink:

You don’t need to to that, all you need to do is just share one folder and then use rclone to copy that main folder and then all of the file would be copy.

@KarlDag said:
I’m pretty sure If you share from Account A to account B, if/when Account gets closed the file won’t be available on Account B anymore. That’s why making a copy is better.

Does rclone need to download/upload the file to so that?

Well that would be case if your file on the Account B be the share file, but when you copy all of them, they would be gone anymore if you lose Account A, because now they owned by Account B.
And no, it’s server side copy, so it won’t use single bandwidth and it’s all on Google, and that’s why it’s pretty much fast, I transferred 60Tb just in 1 day from one Gdrive to another.

@nigelpb said:
rclone needs to download/upload the file. It sounds like making a copy of a file shared from one Google Drive to another creates a snapshot but doesn’t literally make a copy of all the data just copies a link that points to all the data which is why it is so fast.

It does make a copy of it, but because it’s server side you don’t get to download and reupload it again, and on there is no Snapshot, because on the Google file don’t get space on your drive until they owned by the account holder, and when you copying the file, you become the owner of that file and that’s when is Google start counting it towards your storage, so which by what you saying I shouldn’t have any storage used on my second Gdrive, because if it would be snapshot, it shouldn’t use any of my storage quota, but as of right now, I have 60Tb in both of my Gdrive, sync together.

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I posted this in another thread but this is the method I used:

@per_PLEX_ed said:
BTW here is a tip I read on the Internet somewhere for copying content between two Google accounts, I just used it to sync my two eBay accounts as it doesn’t use any VPS data transfer (useful if it’s not limited).

From the primary account, share whatever files/folders you want to the secondary account. Go to the secondary account and click “Shared with me”. Then click “Add to my drive”. You’re not done, if you lose the primary account, all files will be gone.

You will need to use the rclone command
copy SecondaryGdrive:/primaryDrivePath/ secondaryGdrive:/newPathOnSecondaryDrive
to copy your files across.

After it’s done (may take a while, it took about 30 minutes 6 hours, did it wrong the first time - to copy 10TB), you can unshare the primary drive.

I wish for the life of me I remember who wrote this but they deserve all credit for this neat trick!

Original here: http://forums.plex.tv/discussion/comment/1399486/#Comment_1399486

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@per_PLEX_ed said:
I posted this in another thread but this is the method I used:

@per_PLEX_ed said:
BTW here is a tip I read on the Internet somewhere for copying content between two Google accounts, I just used it to sync my two eBay accounts as it doesn’t use any VPS data transfer (useful if it’s not limited).

From the primary account, share whatever files/folders you want to the secondary account. Go to the secondary account and click “Shared with me”. Then click “Add to my drive”. You’re not done, if you lose the primary account, all files will be gone.

You will need to use the rclone command
copy SecondaryGdrive:/primaryDrivePath/ secondaryGdrive:/newPathOnSecondaryDrive
to copy your files across.

After it’s done (may take a while, it took about 30 minutes 6 hours, did it wrong the first time - to copy 10TB), you can unshare the primary drive.

I wish for the life of me I remember who wrote this but they deserve all credit for this neat trick!

Original here: http://forums.plex.tv/discussion/comment/1399486/#Comment_1399486

There is still no need to use rclone and a VPS if you just highlight all of the files, click create a copy, delete the originals and then rename the copies (to get rid of the words "Copy of ") using this addon on Google Chrome. It should do the whole lot in a matter of minutes (well maybe a wee bit longer depending on the amount of files).

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@BigStevie1973 said:

@per_PLEX_ed said:
I posted this in another thread but this is the method I used:

@per_PLEX_ed said:
BTW here is a tip I read on the Internet somewhere for copying content between two Google accounts, I just used it to sync my two eBay accounts as it doesn’t use any VPS data transfer (useful if it’s not limited).

From the primary account, share whatever files/folders you want to the secondary account. Go to the secondary account and click “Shared with me”. Then click “Add to my drive”. You’re not done, if you lose the primary account, all files will be gone.

You will need to use the rclone command
copy SecondaryGdrive:/primaryDrivePath/ secondaryGdrive:/newPathOnSecondaryDrive
to copy your files across.

After it’s done (may take a while, it took about 30 minutes 6 hours, did it wrong the first time - to copy 10TB), you can unshare the primary drive.

I wish for the life of me I remember who wrote this but they deserve all credit for this neat trick!

Original here: http://forums.plex.tv/discussion/comment/1399486/#Comment_1399486

There is still no need to use rclone and a VPS if you just highlight all of the files, click create a copy, delete the originals and then rename the copies (to get rid of the words "Copy of ") using this addon on Google Chrome. It should do the whole lot in a matter of minutes (well maybe a wee bit longer depending on the amount of files).

True… if you have all your movies in one folder and if you don’t have that many. I can’t see myself manually copying the content of over 3000 folders and renaming over 20,000 episodes and movie names :slight_smile:

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@per_PLEX_ed said:

@BigStevie1973 said:

@per_PLEX_ed said:
I posted this in another thread but this is the method I used:

@per_PLEX_ed said:
BTW here is a tip I read on the Internet somewhere for copying content between two Google accounts, I just used it to sync my two eBay accounts as it doesn’t use any VPS data transfer (useful if it’s not limited).

From the primary account, share whatever files/folders you want to the secondary account. Go to the secondary account and click “Shared with me”. Then click “Add to my drive”. You’re not done, if you lose the primary account, all files will be gone.

You will need to use the rclone command
copy SecondaryGdrive:/primaryDrivePath/ secondaryGdrive:/newPathOnSecondaryDrive
to copy your files across.

After it’s done (may take a while, it took about 30 minutes 6 hours, did it wrong the first time - to copy 10TB), you can unshare the primary drive.

I wish for the life of me I remember who wrote this but they deserve all credit for this neat trick!

Original here: http://forums.plex.tv/discussion/comment/1399486/#Comment_1399486

There is still no need to use rclone and a VPS if you just highlight all of the files, click create a copy, delete the originals and then rename the copies (to get rid of the words "Copy of ") using this addon on Google Chrome. It should do the whole lot in a matter of minutes (well maybe a wee bit longer depending on the amount of files).

True… if you have all your movies in one folder and if you don’t have that many. I can’t see myself manually copying the content of over 3000 folders and renaming over 20,000 episodes and movie names :slight_smile:

exactly, with large libraries its better using Rclone lol

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Fair point but I do have all my films in one folder … well most of them anyway :wink:

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Just would like to add my 2cents: I’ve actually taken down my VPS Plex Server and using Plex Cloud only :slight_smile: I was adding more and more functionality to my VPS (CouchPotato, Sonarr, Transmission, etc etc) when I realised I could do pretty much all of this via ‘the cloud’. So I now use IFTTT to monitor various RSS feeds, feeding those to Offcloud which downloads and uploads them to a specific folder on my GDrive. My media feed is on autopilot B)

I get notifications when media is processed and can check daily what has been added to Plex :slight_smile:

The only thing I use the VPS now is sorting the media with Filebot (google-drive-ocamlfuse – Rclone was having issues), cloning GDrive to Amazon and running Squid to access gov’t blocked sites. I can use the cheapest Scaleway VPS which is like £3/month.

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The 3 transcode limit and lack of encryption are the main reasons I don’t use Plex Cloud anymore

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@hthighway said:
The 3 transcode limit and lack of encryption are the main reasons I don’t use Plex Cloud anymore

That 3 transcode definitely is holding me so much, because if you have already 3 transcode, the 4th one doesn’t getting any notification what so ever and it the loading circle keep loading.

Hope @StSimm1 can led more light on it, or they update and it get’s better, because it’s so annoying.