OK, fine :D
That wasn't what you wrote... ;)
I only got snarky when I was essentially asked using pointless marketing BS to keep quiet by tcviper - my original question simply was why this is taking so long (absolutely nothing snarky there)... :)
I really dont understand what was so typical marketing BS about what I said? I was mainly trying to show you that the dev team is doing the best they can already because I see every day how much work is being done.
I really dont understand what was so typical marketing BS about what I said? I was mainly trying to show you that the dev team is doing the best they can already because I see every day how much work is being done.
Please have a look at the post where I break down your post down into pieces. Nearly every single one of your statements made no sense - try saying the opposite and see if it'll make sense.
I fully appreciate that you had the best intentions, but by spewing out meaningless things like that, I believe that you only add noise and clutter. I see this almost daily in these fora, almost always with the same wording in an overly sect-like servile tone. Makes me think of equally meaningless BS coming from marketing departments in the form of press releases, for example.
You want peace, servility, harmony nirvana and "all hail Dear Leader". I want peace, respect, constructive critique and "please Elan and team, could you maybe consider this and that".
One important point to consider: Please have a look at the post count of the OP'er before you comment like you did: I've been around almost since the beginning of the Plex project as an avid user, using this and another account. In total, my post count is approaching 600 - not everything I've contributed has been genius, but I've been here long enough to have heard your arguments far too many times... They still don't impress, I'm sorry to say :)
Please have a look at the post where I break down your post down into pieces. Nearly every single one of your statements made no sense - try saying the opposite and see if it'll make sense.
I fully appreciate that you had the best intentions, but by spewing out meaningless things like that, I believe that you only add noise and clutter. I see this almost daily in these fora, almost always with the same wording in an overly sect-like servile tone. Makes me think of equally meaningless BS coming from marketing departments in the form of press releases, for example.
You want peace, servility, harmony nirvana and "all hail Dear Leader". I want peace, respect, constructive critique and "please Elan and team, could you maybe consider this and that".
One important point to consider: Please have a look at the post count of the OP'er before you comment like you did: I've been around almost since the beginning of the Plex project as an avid user, using this and another account. In total, my post count is approaching 600 - not everything I've contributed has been genius, but I've been here long enough to have heard your arguments far too many times... They still don't impress, I'm sorry to say :)
The feature has been requested. It has been acknowledged by the devs. Not asking why it's taking so long to implement isn't a North Korean attitude. It's common courtesy. This happens to be a nice, friendly board. In some other communities (e.g. CyanogenMod) ETA requests and other pointless questions like "what is taking so long" are ignored, and if you are persistent you can get thrown off the forums (not criticizing them; they work on a larger scale and have much more requests from members much less involved than yourself, but the principle is the same).
In this type of environment it is not usually acceptable to ask questions regarding how long something is taking. However, it is a free country. Feel free to ask away. It's not gonna make the devs move any faster, and it definitely won't solve any of the problems that stand in the way of it being implemented. Regardless, I think enough posts have been devoted towards this little side-topic, but here's to cheap storage and large bandwidth :-)
The feature has been requested. It has been acknowledged by the devs. Not asking why it's taking so long to implement isn't a North Korean attitude. It's common courtesy. This happens to be a nice, friendly board. In some other communities (e.g. CyanogenMod) ETA requests and other pointless questions like "what is taking so long" are ignored, and if you are persistent you can get thrown off the forums (not criticizing them; they work on a larger scale and have much more requests from members much less involved than yourself, but the principle is the same).
In this type of environment it is not usually acceptable to ask questions regarding how long something is taking. However, it is a free country. Feel free to ask away. It's not gonna make the devs move any faster, and it definitely won't solve any of the problems that stand in the way of it being implemented. Regardless, I think enough posts have been devoted towards this little side-topic, but here's to cheap storage and large bandwidth :-)
I generally agree that "are we there yet"-questions are just as pointless and noise-generating.
But that was not what I asked: I asked WHY it was taking so long. Maybe they needed input on how to implement the feature, maybe they had decided that the request would not be, who knows. It was meant to foster discussion about the feature. But you instinctively think that such questions equal complaints - that is why it pisses me off. Also, I think comments such as tcviper's is mainly because of a need to put yourself in a glorifying light...
And this has a crucial pretext, which is that Elan had already said that he felt this is taking too long. This makes my question and concern even more valid and warranted...
Finally, another important point is that you think this kind of discussion is futile and besides the purpose of the forums. But a great and thriving community is also characterized by a ongoing discussion about the way we communicate. The opposite is what you'd find in totalitarian societies... No one should accept status quo!
I generally agree that "are we there yet"-questions are just as pointless and noise-generating.
But that was not what I asked: I asked WHY it was taking so long. Maybe they needed input on how to implement the feature, maybe they had decided that the request would not be, who knows. It was meant to foster discussion about the feature. But you instinctively think that such questions equal complaints - that is why it pisses me off. Also, I think comments such as tcviper's is mainly because of a need to put yourself in a glorifying light...
And this has a crucial pretext, which is that Elan had already said that he felt this is taking too long. This makes my question and concern even more valid and warranted...
Finally, another important point is that you think this kind of discussion is futile and besides the purpose of the forums. But a great and thriving community is also characterized by a ongoing discussion about the way we communicate. The opposite is what you'd find in totalitarian societies... No one should accept status quo!
I don't equate questions about why things are taking long to complaints. They are not as bad as complaints, but software developers hate those questions the same, even if it comes with good intent. If they need input on how to implement it (which they most likely don't), they would ask for it. If you want to know if the request was nixed, ask if the feature is still planned on being released, not why it's taking so long. It's just something that developers don't like being asked. If you insist on asking them, that's fine, we respect your right to ask them. Just don't expect us to be happy that you're asking that (speaking about devs in general; just assuming the devs here feel the same way I do about these types of questions).
Well, that is probably the price you need to pay as a developer if you want to maintain fora, the access to which costs money.
You might equate or at least compare this setup to a publicly traded company. Here, the actions of the staff and the execute team are constantly questioned and challenged by the board and the stock owners. I think it is fair to say that this system has succeeded (though you can have other political views)... By being PlexPass buyers we buy a tiny share of the project, a share which entitles us to ask questions that non-PlexPass users can't. At least that is how I view the forum access part of PlexPass...
Also, it was not the answer of a dev that made this sort of blow up - it was the nonsense response of a Ninja, and as I've just learned among other things Ninjas are the rogues/paramilitary forces of Plex Inc. , or put less inflammatorily, Ninja are non-Plex employees with a special forum-wide license to judge (or Trudge) between good and bad behavior.
YOU might equate Plex to a publicly traded company, butit is not . Ruthless dictatorships and monarchies succeeded for thousands of years. Does this mean we should try and emulate them?
PlexPass doesn’t entitle you to anything other than what it is stated to entitle you to (my favorite sentence of the day). And again, this is a free country, and until the mods stop you, feel free to say whatever you want. Just don’t expect others to agree with your viewpoints and rationale. If a group of people don’t like being asked certain types of questions, that’s their prerogative. Don’t tell them whether and why they should or shouldn’t like it. Or do, its really up to you.
Also, I don’t know what you have against the ninjas but I’ve never had a problem with them. Based on the fact that no one else has voiced their displeasure at the response to your question, and I see no problem with how the response was formulated, I’d venture to say you’re being difficult because you have beef with the ninjas.
YOU might equate Plex to a publicly traded company, butit is not . Ruthless dictatorships and monarchies succeeded for thousands of years. Does this mean we should try and emulate them?
Dictatorships and monarchies haven't been very successful in the long rung and haven't brought much greatness to the people, agree? If you agree politically, capitalism has worked quite well (at least it is the best worst option).
PlexPass doesn't entitle you to anything other than what it is stated to entitle you to (my favorite sentence of the day).
And what is that?
Just don't expect others to agree with your viewpoints and rationale.
I don't expect that. Did you think I would expect that?
Don't tell them whether and why they should or shouldn't like it. Or do, its really up to you.
Thank you. I won't tell anyone what they should like. And I haven't told anyone, have I?
Also, I don't know what you have against the ninjas but I've never had a problem with them. Based on the fact that no one else has voiced their displeasure at the response to your question, and I see no problem with how the response was formulated, I'd venture to say you're being difficult because you have beef with the ninjas.
Not in general. To the contrary, actually. But Ninjas are also capable of making mistakes, and while I am a forgiving person, I also reserve the right to point out mistakes and stupidity. And now I am being difficult - who are you to judge? Just because I don't agree with you, doesn't make me "difficult"...
Here's another "ninja" speaking and judge ahead - I don't give a crap.Well, that is probably the price you need to pay as a developer if you want to maintain fora, the access to which costs money.
You might equate or at least compare this setup to a publicly traded company. Here, the actions of the staff and the execute team are constantly questioned and challenged by the board and the stock owners. I think it is fair to say that this system has succeeded (though you can have other political views)... By being PlexPass buyers we buy a tiny share of the project, a share which entitles us to ask questions that non-PlexPass users can't. At least that is how I view the forum access part of PlexPass...
Also, it was not the answer of a dev that made this sort of blow up - it was the nonsense response of a Ninja, and as I've just learned among other thinds Ninjas are the rogues/paramilitary forces of Plex Inc. , or put less inflammatory, Ninja are non-Plex employees with a special forum-wide license to judge (or Trudge) between good and bad behavior.
Here's another "ninja" speaking and judge ahead - I don't give a crap.
1) having a plexpass entitles you to ask the same questions as someone who doesn't have a plexpass. It doesn't give you any secret answers to secret answers. It just means that certain folks might listen to/value your opinion more. I personally don't, because to me all users are the same to me, whether ninja or not, plexpass user or not. Just like you might be sick of us ninjas defending the developers, I am getting fed up of folks saying "I am a PAYING customer so I want answers". Unfortunately being a plexpass holder does not open priveledges for that.
I definitely don't demand answers - but I demand the right to ask questions. And by holding a PlexPass, I certainly expect to be taken more serious than regular non-PlexPass holders.
Also, I very much appreciate the input of the Ninjas, but like I just wrote, you are also just human beings and capable of making mistakes. If such mistakes are detrimental towards me, then I reserve the right to point that out, thank you very much.
This I have taken from the introduction of the PlexPass:
3) PlexPass members automatically get access to private forums for discussing these new features. (...) Hey, you’re a PlexPass member – we’ll give you some extra love!
4) Last, but not least, PlexPass members get discounts on premium features once they’re made available to the general public.
(...) And with your support, and your early input and feedback on new features, we can build a better Plex together!
#3 seems to be contradicting your way of doing things quite clearly, doesn't it? Note the "discussing of these new features", "early input and feedback" and "together" parts...
BTW, what is the status regarding #4, "discount on premium features"?
2) these features you are asking about aren't out because they're not ready. Just like some new vaccines aren't released until they're ready, thoroughly tested and proved to be safe, and cost/bio-effective. Again, noone except the folks engineering them, and maybe the governments have a rough date. Noone else. Answers like "why not", "when", "for how much" are not asked by the general public, or even other doctors.
Best to stop comparing the pharmaceutical business and drug development, which is a matter of life and death, to a semi-corporate small-team software project, don't you think?
3) I have been around about as much/more/less as you, and I feel like I know you (forum wise) well enough. One moment you're super smiley and happy and the other moment you're a moaning minny. This makes it very difficult to take you serious. It's like a consultant doctor that is always complaining no matter how well you do your job - after a while, I just feel like I'm hearing the same things over again.
I think you would be better off by taking taking only those people serious who react to the specific situation. In "real" life, I am a very happy and diplomatic, but I also like to think hard and long about stuff - sometimes that extends to these fora. You should appreciate that, instead of choosing the easy way of only taking people serious who only offer praise.
I think we all said a lot of contradicting stuff - and we all know this thread could go on forever. 
Lets go back to what are all enjoying and that is this community, the apps and our media in plex.
There’s better things to argue about than who was more right, who was senseless and who was smart. I know I say things that are wrong sometimes, but I think so do others.
I am looking forward to the future of plex, even though I have no clue where the developers will lead us, because so far it was always awesome and exciting.
(Call my reply ‘shallow’ - but honestly, I hope you won’t - because I actually think this is the right thing to do at this point, and I have a deep feeling you will agree).
I think we all said a lot of contradicting stuff - and we all know this thread could go on forever. :)
Lets go back to what are all enjoying and that is this community, the apps and our media in plex.
There's better things to argue about than who was more right, who was senseless and who was smart. I know I say things that are wrong sometimes, but I think so do others. :)
I am looking forward to the future of plex, even though I have no clue where the developers will lead us, because so far it was always awesome and exciting.
(Call my reply 'shallow' - but honestly, I hope you won't - because I actually think this is the right thing to do at this point, and I have a deep feeling you will agree). :)
I fully agree - big hugs! :D
My question regarding the #4-part above ("discount on premium features") still stand, though - however, this part I haven't thought long and hard about... ;) I just don't remember benefitting from any such discounts?
And BTW, sincere apologies to the original poster for highjacking the very valid and much warranted feature request. Truly sorry! :unsure:
I fully agree - big hugs! :D
My question regarding the #4-part above ("discount on premium features") still stand, though - however, this part I haven't thought long and hard about... ;) I just don't remember benefitting from any such discounts?
I don't think I'm going into traitorous waters by referencing to a blog post that Elan did @ X-mas. This post: http://elan.plexapp.com/2012/12/19/plexpass-updates/
However, after reading all of your comments, and reevaluating, we’ve decided to make things even simpler: Raise your glass of eggnog, because if you have a PlexPass, it’ll get you access to all premium features, from the beta stage onwards, and there will be no separate premium subscription. So PlexSync is yours to keep, and we certainly hope you’re getting good use out of it in this busy holiday season!
I might be wrong, but as I gather PlexSync that was supposed to be a Premium feature, is instead bundled in the PlexPass subscription. And as future Premium Features/PlexPass features become available, you will, as a PlexPass lifetime holder simply gain those features for free, so a 100% discount. I don't know what those features can/will be, but it looks like the blogpost overrided #4-part. And #4-part should probably have its wording changed.
/Mark
I don't think I'm going into traitorous waters by referencing to a blog post that Elan did @ X-mas. This post: http://elan.plexapp.com/2012/12/19/plexpass-updates/
However, after reading all of your comments, and reevaluating, we’ve decided to make things even simpler: Raise your glass of eggnog, because if you have a PlexPass, it’ll get you access to all premium features, from the beta stage onwards, and there will be no separate premium subscription. So PlexSync is yours to keep, and we certainly hope you’re getting good use out of it in this busy holiday season!I might be wrong, but as I gather PlexSync that was supposed to be a Premium feature, is instead bundled in the PlexPass subscription. And as future Premium Features/PlexPass features become available, you will, as a PlexPass lifetime holder simply gain those features for free, so a 100% discount. I don't know what those features can/will be, but it looks like the blogpost overrided #4-part. And #4-part should probably have its wording changed.
/Mark
Totally great and fine! I had forgot about that blog post (probably busy doing Christmas stuff back then)... :)
@elan
Is it intentional that my girlfriend (no plexpass) can not use on deck and recently viewed …?
It says Plex pass only in plexweb and is not available when signed in in ios app.
Server 0.98.1 and I’m a plexpass lifetime member. For my account sections work for her account everything except library access seems blocked.
Not at all. She should have a full view state including on deck and recently added and such.
Is it intentional that my girlfriend (no plexpass) can not use on deck and recently viewed ...?
Not at all. She should have a full view state including on deck and recently added and such.
same here.
would a logfile help? and if yes, which one?
Just to clarify, for now, she won’t see a dashboard On Deck, but inside each section she should be able to access it. A more fully implemented family plan is on the roadmap.
A more fully implemented family plan is on the roadmap.
umm.. and when? we want to pay u again :D
