Senderzuordnung

[OttoKerner]

Yes, you have chosen the wrong entry at the right side. ORF is what your tuner is receiving. But you have picked the EPG of Radio Bayern and assigned it.

[Wiidesire]

@OttoKerner

I don’t know what you mean with ‘overlapping’.

I think he means Radio and TV having the same channel numbers.
Example:

Belegung - München (West) - Vodafone-Kabel-Helpdesk

151 münchen.tv
151 MDR Sputnik
156 ORF 2
156 Bayern plus

So even with the 200 local lineups the overlapping channel numbers won’t be solved.

However @gabe67 156 is now correctly ORF 2 for me. Actually the new lineups do not have any Radio channels at all, ergo no overlap.

Are you sure (your date indicates so, 11.06.2019) this is not an old issue from the Gracenote guide?
I had the same issues there, many TV channels were overlapped by radio channels.
Now with the new guide from TiVO the issue is “fixed” in the sense that Radio channels aren’t there at all.

If the new guide were to add Radio channels, it would then have to do e.g. 156 for TV and then 156-1 for Radio. Otherwise we’d have the same problem again like with Gracenote.

[Wiidesire]

@OttoKerner

I don’t understand this decision. What’s wrong with having fewer lineups? Makes it easier to maintain. They just need to have all the stations in them. If a user at one location cannot receive a few stations in a lineup – so what?

That’s not how it works. First of all it should be a one click solution, ergo the user doesn’t have to manually map anything at all.

So we already discussed the Radio and TV channel numbers overlapping. The same is also happening for regional/local channels.

As an example for Kabel Deutschland:

https://helpdesk.kdgforum.de/sendb/belegung-457.html:
151 münchen.tv
https://helpdesk.kdgforum.de/sendb/belegung-282.html:
151 TV Mainfranken

Both are in the same state Bavaria, ergo the guide Kabel Deutschland Bayern Digital has many overlapping channel numbers. They could be named 151-1 151-2 etc. but then the user experience is bad because you have to map every regional channel yourself.

Even if it was all in one guide, you’d then have the problem that local channels and radio channels are double overlapping, ergo 151-1, 151-2, 151-3, 151-4 and which one of those would be radio then? It would be a mess.

The only correct solution is to have those ~200 local lineups which automatically correctly map every channel.

[gabe67]

@OttoKerner

Yes, you have chosen the wrong entry at the right side. ORF is what your tuner is receiving. But you have picked the EPG of Radio Bayern and assigned it.

Sorry but you seem to lack knowledge of how the system works. I need to select channel 151, otherwise I won’t get the right stream.

[OttoKerner]

Have you tested this? (In Plex, not in a different software.)

[gabe67]

@OttoKerner: However, it would make sense to code the app the way you are proposing Best way would be that the mapping is done automatically. All other TV apps manage to do that. THe way Plex currently works in DVR makes no sense at all. I also don’t think it’s a good idea to list 200+ lineups.

[Wiidesire]

@gabe67 with the local lineups it should then automatically map everything correctly.

You still haven’t answered the question, your screenshot is from May, correct? This is before the switch from Gracenote to TiVO. If you install the newest server version and then delete and readd your tuner, there won’t be any radio stations at all, ergo no radio/tv overlap.

Also for the extensive reasons I have listed @OttoKerner’s proposal doesn’t make sense at all. It would only make sense if Plex were to move away from identifying channels by their channel numbers but I don’t see a reasonable alternative.
With the overlapping channel numbers we need local lineups, there is no other comfortable solution.

[gabe67]

@Wiidesire

If you install the newest server version and then delete and readd your tuner, there won’t be any radio stations at all, ergo no radio/tv overlap.

I haven’t done that so far. THank you for the hint. However, I still wonder how TVMosaic, Eyetv and others handle this mapping issue because those apps never asked me to map anything. They just work.

[sa2000]

@OttoKerner

I don’t know what you mean with ‘overlapping

The same channel number could be different channel content in different regions / cities and need a different set of guide data.

[sa2000]

@gabe67

I haven’t done that so far. THank you for the hint.

Any lineup channel corrections / additions / removal needs going through
DVR deletion and recreating, or
go through “Scan Channels” in DVR Settings and then an extra full guide refresh after the default guide refresh completes

[Wiidesire]

@sa2000

The same channel number could be different channel content in different regions / cities and need a different set of guide data.

And also many radio and tv channels have the same channel numbers (examples have been named above). Please make sure - if TiVO adds radio channels to the Kabel Deutschland guide - that the radio channels don’t override tv channels (which is what happened on Gracenote previously). Thanks.

[mahunas]

Might I add a different problem:

It’s not helpful, that most of the radiostations get the the same EPG information over the whole day? That makes it impossible to record an particular concert (as it tries to record all radiostations present). Why don’t just give (at least) the radio station’s name as EPG content?.
And why, why isn’t it possible to program manually recordings? I just don’t get it.

Thanks

[Wiidesire]

@mahunas

It’s not helpful, that most of the radiostations get the the same EPG information over the whole day?

Your Kabel Deutschland guide has radio stations in it? What’s your server version and the specific guide you are using?

[mahunas]

1.16.5.1154
Welchen Guide ich letztlich wählte, weiss ich jetzt aber gar nicht mehr. Vmtl. schon den regionalen von Kabel Deutschland.

[Wiidesire]

Unter Live TV & DVR in den Einstellungen steht der Name des Guides. Mich interessiert es, weil bei mir keine Radiokanäle angezeigt werden. Kannst du vlt. mal einen Screenshot von dem Dropdown der Senderliste machen, wo Radiokanäle zu sehen sind? Wie funktioniert das bei dir mit Radiosendern, die die selbe Kanalnummer wie TV haben?

[mahunas]

Kabel Deutschland Germany Digital dann vermutlich.
Doppelte Belegungen konnte ich nicht feststellen, dieses Auswahlfenster der Verknüpfungen kann ich gerade nicht machen, weil DVR zwar funktioniert, aber die Tuner gerade nicht verfügbar sind. Das verschwindet dann gelegentlich beim NAS-Neustart, aber es läuft ein Backup welches noch einige Tage laufen wird.

[Wiidesire]

Ok, dann hast du noch einen älteren Guide bevor es in 16 Regionale gesplittet wurde. Dann sind die Radiokanäle wohl erst bei den regionalen Guides rausgeflogen, vermutlich eben weil keine richtigen Programminformationen verfügbar waren.
Die Kanalnummern sieht man auch in der regulären Senderliste/Programmübersicht (also nicht in den Einstellungen), von dort könntest du auch einen Screenshot von ein paar Radiokanälen machen.

[mahunas]

Hmm, dann hat sich wohl so einiges getan, wobei ich erst vor ein paar Wochen DVR neu aufsetzen musste.

Screenshot

Mal sehen, ob die DVR-Funktion in ein paar Jahren weniger nervenaufreibend sein wird.

[Wiidesire]

Ja, es wird gerade noch viel verändert. Ich würde jetzt auch nicht neu aufsetzen, da bald die 16 regionalen in 200 lokale Guides gesplittet werden. Erst wenn das passiert ist, würde ich es machen.
Auf dem Screenshot sind leider nur Radiokanäle, die sich von den Kanalnummern nicht mit TV überschneiden. Mehr als 10 Radio-Kanäle gab es nicht oder hast du nur speziell diese aktiviert?

[mahunas]

Ja, nur die Klassikkanäle und Deutschlandfunk, sorry. Die regionalen Kanäle hatten diese 112-3 Kennung (Zahlenwerte natürlich willkürlich), daran erinnere ich mich noch.