Missing Transponder "NetCologne" [Cable] and channel assignment

[Olli]

Server Version#: 1.24.3.5033
Player Version#:
Tuner Make/Model: Fritz!Box 6490 Cable
Guide/Lineup name:
Using XMLTV?:
Channel number/Name: 033/133 One/OneArHD/ONE HD/ONEARD

It’s more than one Year ago, and the Transponder-Info for NetCologne is still missing.
Please add “NetCologne” Cable Provider You can find all data here:

Scanners\dvbc\transponders

Server Version#: 1.19.4.2935 Player Version#: Hello, Who ist responsible for updating DVC-Transponderlists!? I think 5209.ini is not exhaustive. [DVB-C Germany (NetCologne, Köln)] Also Fast_Scan is missing. How can i provide working/missing files? For personal-use I just added a new ini. Regards Oliver

PS: [DVB-C Germany (Cable Cologne)] is NOT working! We need [DVB-C Germany (NetCologne, Köln)]

These days i noticed, one Channel is a bit mixed up.
033 usually ONE [133 ONEARHD]
133 usually ONE HD [033 ONEARD]
The DVR mixes these channels… If you want record HD the SD channel is recorded so i had to switch the assignment. - but it’s still declared not correct and also the Logo is switched.
I can’t refresh the Channel list because of missing transponder-list. Last year i could fix this problem by myself by manipulate the list manually, now i can’t find the lists anymore.

[Olli]

[sa2000]

Could you get me a Plex Media Server debug Server logs during DVR setup to see why are matching 33 One to 133 one HD and auto matching 133 One HD to 033 One

[sa2000]

@Olli

the Transponder-Info for NetCologne is still missin

I will try and get this bumped up

Am I right in saying that we can change the 5209.ini transponders file to cover the frequencies in latest pdf here Digitale_Kanalbelegung.pdf (netcologne.de)

The 5209.ini file is titled DVB-C Germany (Cable Cologne)

I notice in your provided 5211.ini example - you have everything as QAM256
The 5209.ini file has some frequencies set as QAM64

Also comparing your 5211.ini file provided last year and the frequencies list on the linked pdf - there are the following that I presume we also need to add

113000,V,6900,,QAM256
121000,V,6900,,QAM256
129000,V,6900,,QAM256
137000,V,6900,,QAM256
602000,V,6900,,QAM256

and should we drop this one ?

514000,V,6900,,QAM256

and for the fast scan - is it just the first frequency?

e.g. would be

113000,V,6900,,QAM256

[Olli]

Hey, thanks for your quick reply!

because of auto-matching i can’t tell, i had to manually match many channels - some are also missing, but most are working fine.

I don’t know where “plex” the content of the “Cable Cologne”-List initally get from, but it’s not suiteable for “NetCologne”
The original ini-files gets owerwritten on every Update, so i had to use just a number not in use…
So because of the ini-file i just copied and interpolate the channels based on the original channel list from an channel scan of my FritzBox 6490.
Example of Fritz!Box.m3u (SD-Channels)

#EXTM3U
#EXTINF:0,Das Erste
#EXTVLCOPT:network-caching=1000
rtsp://192.168.x.x:554/?avm=1&freq=418&bw=8&msys=dvbc&mtype=256qam&sr=6900&specinv=0&pids=0,16,17,18,20,100,101,49,84,102,103,104,105,106,1176,2070,2171
#EXTINF:0,ZDF
#EXTVLCOPT:network-caching=1000
rtsp://192.168.x.x:554/?avm=1&freq=378&bw=8&msys=dvbc&mtype=256qam&sr=6900&specinv=0&pids=0,16,17,18,20,100,110,120,121,122,125,130,131,950

Example of HD-Channels

#EXTM3U
#EXTINF:0,NRWision HD
#EXTVLCOPT:network-caching=1000
rtsp://192.168.x.x:554/?avm=1&freq=490&bw=8&msys=dvbc&mtype=256qam&sr=6900&specinv=0&pids=0,16,17,18,20,32,256,512,1030
#EXTINF:0,Das Erste HD
#EXTVLCOPT:network-caching=1000
rtsp://192.168.x.x:554/?avm=1&freq=346&bw=8&msys=dvbc&mtype=256qam&sr=6900&specinv=0&pids=0,16,17,18,20,5100,5101,1170,1176,2171,5102,5103,5104,5105,5106,5108,5172,48
#EXTINF:0,ZDF HD
#EXTVLCOPT:network-caching=1000
rtsp://192.168.x.x:554/?avm=1&freq=482&bw=8&msys=dvbc&mtype=256qam&sr=6900&specinv=0&pids=0,16,17,18,20,6100,6110,6120,6121,6122,6123,6130,6131,6132,6170

also Radio-Channels:

#EXTM3U
#EXTINF:0,1LIVE
#EXTVLCOPT:network-caching=1000
rtsp://192.168.x.x:554/?avm=1&freq=418&bw=8&msys=dvbc&mtype=256qam&sr=6900&specinv=0&pids=0,16,17,18,20,1100,1101,2074,2177
#EXTINF:0,WDR 2 Rheinland
#EXTVLCOPT:network-caching=1000
rtsp://192.168.x.x:554/?avm=1&freq=418&bw=8&msys=dvbc&mtype=256qam&sr=6900&specinv=0&pids=0,16,17,18,20,1110,1111,2074,2177
#EXTINF:0,WDR 3
#EXTVLCOPT:network-caching=1000
rtsp://192.168.x.x:554/?avm=1&freq=418&bw=8&msys=dvbc&mtype=256qam&sr=6900&specinv=0&pids=0,16,17,18,20,1120,1121,1122,2074,2177

The Frequenz gap is always 8000kHz/8MHz, always Vertical, always 6900 and always QAM256…
…and it’s working fine.

Compared to other “Fast Scan”-Files they show only the Base-Frequency…so i didn’t really test this…

The last Year i did very many recordings - only some of them failed at the beginning because of transponder-errors.

[Olli]

@sa2000

Also comparing your 5211.ini file provided last year and the frequencies list on the linked pdf - there are the following that I presume we also need to add

113000,V,6900,,QAM256
121000,V,6900,,QAM256
129000,V,6900,,QAM256
137000,V,6900,,QAM256
602000,V,6900,,QAM256

and should we drop this one ?

514000,V,6900,,QAM256

and for the fast scan - is it just the first frequency?

e.g. would be

113000,V,6900,,QAM256

I just rechecked my old ini…
basically sure, you can add those channels with always 8000kHz difference - but the Channels found there are mostly encrypted (pay TV) and/or not usable - but for complete-list OK, add it.
Regular free-TV channels start with 322000kHz.
113000 is the lowest frequency of the first pay-TV channels
514000 is actually not in use, but it’s the only missing frequency in the 8000k gaps - so i added it and would keep it in the list.

By recheckig the original Fritz!Box.m3u, maybe the V-Parameter is unnecessary vor DVB-C so maybe we can drop the V, but i did not determine errors with it.

[Olli]

OK, i just rechecked transponder “cable Cologne” on a TEST-Server. (Windows 10)

The Scan just find crap:

111 Channels but many non usable pay-tv HD channels - most free-tv channels are SD.

But the second Problem, i can’t finish the Setup:

[sa2000]

I have suggested to the development team we release a 5211.ini for NetCologne and have all frequencies (8000 intervals) between 322000 and 602000 plus 113000 to 137000

When using the fast scan file you provided 8027.ini do you get a dialogue box for network selection ? There were changes in DVR Setup in Plex Web and that aspect has not been fully checked out

[Olli]

I have tested now these FastScan parameters:
1=113000,V,6900,,QAM256
1=322000,V,6900,,QAM256
1=602000,V,6900,,QAM256 KMS Munich FastScan (8009.ini)
Other FastScan did not work:

• Telecolumbus 8008.ini (146000)
• Unitymedia 8010.ini (146000)

And Yes, in all working cases the Selection was ID: 777

FastScan found 441 channels, thats much better.
My DVR on Synology NAS with my own 5211.ini has only 422 Channels. (117 active)

[Olli]

Ok , different PC/Browser works… (Or maybe because server was not connected, yet)

As default, the Region “NetAachen (312 channels)” was selected with 88 assigned Channels.
By switching to “NetCologne” only 87 Channels are automatically assigned. - so i have 30+ to fix manually.

The Channellist of NetAachen should be similar to NetCologne.

Digitale_Kanalbelegung.pdf

Tell me how, if you want a complete matching from me - Free SD/HD/Radio

[Olli]

Finally the automatic assignment is:

033 is SD Channel if i press play it is also SD, but EPG is connected to HD.
133 is HD Channel if i press play it is also HD, but EPG is connected to SD.

So if you want to record this channel the HD/SD is switched…

[sa2000]

@Olli

033 is SD Channel if i press play it is also SD, but EPG is connected to HD.
133 is HD Channel if i press play it is also HD, but EPG is connected to SD.

The channels are correctly marked as SD and HD in the lineup with 133 having the HD indicator but two things are wrong

• the logos are the wrong way round in the NetCologne (311 channels) lineup
• the schedule for 133 does not have any HD airings - all having 480 resolution.

I will refer this to Gracenote on Friday (i am only part time)

[Olli]

it’s not only 480 resolution, it’s truly the wrong channel recorded.
…different Station/channel-logo in the recorded channel.

[Olli]

I just noticed, the Radio-Channels are missing in the 311 NetCologne Channels.
Most others are Pay-TV and not usable (for my setup)
1-95 SD-TV (Free-TV)
98-370 HD-TV (mostly, and some Pay-TV)
400-600 International TV
800-999 SKY Pay-TV
1001-1080 Audio-Radio-Channels
Actually i have about 116 active (free-tv) channels - before the EPG change additionally assigned radio channels.

see for example TV-SD Channel 69, 70, 72
but Radio must be 1069, 1070, 1072

Channels not assigned correctly:

101
111
190
040
055
403
095
094
079 / 1079 wrong TV switched with Radio-Channel
078
080 / 1080 wrong TV switched with Radio-Channel
081
086
087
088
090

001
092
093
091
003
089
110
157
153
098
194
186
193
043
552
074 (missing in EPG)
027 (missing in EPG)

069 ARD-alpha
069 / 1069 Radio Horeb wrong connected to ARD-Alpha EPG 

070 K-TV
070 / 1070 Radio Paloma wrong connected to K-TV

072 / 1072

073 / 1073 correct assigned, but also radio Double ORF2 Europe / BBCW SERVICE

408 Russia Today missing in EPG
494 Tunisia 1 missing in EPG
551 KBS World missing in EPG

[sa2000]

@Olli

it’s truly the wrong channel recorded.

This screenshot does show that the EPG channel 133 has HD indicator and the callsign does have HD as part of its name

This screenshot shows that Gracenote have the wrong logo for the 2 channels - they are swapped round

@Olli

it’s not only 480 resolution

I understand that streaming from 133 OneHD is not 480 - but the EPG schedule data from Gracenote has all airings set to 480

[sa2000]

I have referred to Gracenote the following issues:

• Logos swapped round for 33 and 133
• EPG schedule for 133 One HD does not show any HD resolution for airings
• Missing digital radio channels

It is very possible that Gracenote do not offer same level of support for radio as our previous provider TiVo

[Olli]

1. Yes

2. The EPG Shedule only refers to an airing, not the Channel. The option for the rcording is set to “prefer HD” or “only HD”
   

   
   
   But both HD options references Channel 33 and not 133.
   
   

3. I don’t care the missing of EPG for Radio. But, the Channel-Number is wrong and collide with TV numbers, just add 1000 for Radio Channels. (Thats what my TV does, and TiVo did it the same way, too)

[Olli]

Btw. some HD Channels show just the wrong SD logo but the airing is correct.
110 3SatHD
121
122
130 ZDF_neoHD
180 NDR HD (but the actual logo should be on SD Channel 80)
186 mdrHD
190 SWRHD

HD Channel/Logos in FritzBox:

DVB-C Frequency Spectrum

All Downstream channels on cable are QAM256, also DSL, only DSL-Upstream is QAM64.

[Olli]

Something changed Today:
Standard is NetAachen
NetAachen and NetCologne have 97 channels assigned..

but many still missing:

Not assigned (because of double-numbers/Radio-Stations 10xx)

Wrong assigned: (Radio-channels) 1000-1099

[sa2000]

@Olli

I don’t care the missing of EPG for Radio. But, the Channel-Number is wrong and collide with TV numbers, just add 1000 for Radio Channels.

I have a response from Gracenote re NetCologne lineup and Digital Radio channels indicating that radio channels are out of scope and not supported

Can you disable all radio channels on the DVR / Tuner end so that they do not interfere with channel matching for TV