No need. Im just trying to understand the objections beyond it never used to be that way.
How things used to be (and how it used to be being the right way) was my point.
I recall a forum topic in the last month or so. Something to do with changes in the layout of shows/seasons/episodes/titles and a complaint about decreased usability on the Apple TV.
Iām not quite sure what youāre asking. Is āpostā vs. āthreadā important? I agree that these changes landed on the Apple TV first and didnāt generate as much discussion as here.
You said that you had no idea why people use shuffle. I was answering that question, not justifying it or comparing it to other options. 
In an absolute emergency Iām able to sleep, poorly, even without Plex!
The other thing I like about shuffle is that I donāt need to make a decision about where to start, or create a playlist in advance if I want ālaterā episodes to be included, without running out of episodes and finishing the show.
Itās hardly important. I havenāt even used it for very long. But thatās why I like it.
I thought Juiceās comment WAS funny hyperbole, but borderline for the forum āassume good intentā guidelines. My response was intended to be lighthearted sarcasm, calling out the absurdity of name-calling. I know better than to attempt sarcasm on the Internet. Apologies if it didnāt read that way - and to Juice, too. I should have just said so.
Iām pretty sensitive to logical fallacies and arguments that boil down to āPlex is bad, so the company doesnāt careā. I think it distracts strongly from the GOOD points people are making, that I often agree with, and makes it LESS likely that human beings on the other side will read them and say āOh hey, good point, I want to work on this.ā
Itās damned hard to work on things when your audience says āYour art is ugly, and youāre clearly too stupid to listen to what your REAL customers want.ā
What a great way to get pigeonholed into the āvocal angry minorityā.
At first I thought you were calling me sycophant/fanboy. I was confused and offended. Reading this a third-fourth-fifth time I think youāre saying that YOU donāt want to be called a sycophant or fanboy. If thatās the case, weāre on the same page.
If you think Iām a sycophant, that sucks. At least itās a good word.
I agree with you about no/orange/triangle, for the vanishingly little thatās worth.
Ok to be clear.
I was definitely not calling you a sycophant.
I get we all all have different usage/preferences. Because I actually like or donāt hate āsomeā of the Plex changes has meant I have been called a sycophant. My link was more a failed to attempt to disprove that.
Sadly I included the whole thing as a reply to you rather than just the relevant parts.
Almost all of what I said was meant generally rather than directly implied to you.
Definitely a āmy badā
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No weāre good. Thanks for clarifying. I appreciate your response and approach in general.
Iām going to go hit āshuffleā nowā¦
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To be fair my Roku is in a guest room.
I have a shield (seriously outdated UI) and a ATV 4K (which has the Roku UI exactly that you now see) for a few weeks now. It may even be the case that the Roku still has a few tweaks to go yet.
What I see on the ATV actually makes sense (at least to me.) To be fair when it first loaded i thought WTF!!
It just gets really tiresome when people repeatedly post that the Roku is (or at least was) the client UI all other clients strive to be, because they have used EVERY single client (apart from ones they havenāt.)
Either way back to r/plex on reddit.
Roku users once enjoyed the Roku UNO.
ATV Users once enjoyed The Roku UNO.
Now everyone gets to enjoy the Shield UNO.
Roku and ATV Users are the only ones who know how badly they got screwed.
The playing field has been leveled.
It was during the great Killing PMP forum meltdown when some hapless HTPC user called Elan āThe Suitā. Well, if I had let that one go it would have been dereliction of duty on my part, so I invented āThe Suitā image. As I recall we all got a kick out of it - or at least I didā¦lol
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This is what I came to complian about today. 
Actually I didnāt even notice āWatched episodes are greyed out with an orange line beneath themā, I just look for the orange triangle in the top corner of unwatched episodes.
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Amen to this. Weāre seeing the tendency throughout the digital world to user over sized images everywhere, now. I have no idea why. What could otherwise fit nicely on a single screen is being sprawled out, for no good reason, requiring users to scroll or swipe just to figure out what theyāre looking at . When I encounter a web site with that type of design, I donāt even bother; I move on. Itās stupid. Talk about not being able to see the forest through the treesā¦
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I like to shuffle things like The Big Bang Theory. A show that doesnāt really have a cohesive story to follow, or many two part episodes. Others would be Original Trek, or TNG, and some others that donāt have an arching narrative.
I really do like the TV show landing page with the seasons going across the screen and on the actual episode list with the seasons along the top. Thatās often been a big gripe in my house ā this is much easier for jumping around episodes across various seasons.
Most of the other changes are minor to me but I do agree with others that the biggest issue is the use of the screen real estate. On the TV show landing page, the episode screen and the main screen for a movie, thereās so much room off to the right of the description ā just extending the field for the description out into that space would fill it and prevent all the descriptions from getting truncated. The episode screen especially ā it literally only takes up half the vertical space.
FANART
Firstly, is it just me or do we now have fanart on Roku?
I do not recall this before and for me is a HUGE leap forward, I just wish they could cycle in the background
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Season tabs
This seems like an improvement
Watched Markers
As many have said this needs addressing to be easier to use, the old marker was quite good
Synopsis
Both the navigation (you have to navigate through this to get to other common controls) and the location/size need addressing
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I think the new look is fantastic. Background images are back again (which i really missed), the posters are larger , as for the bookmarked watched / unwatched episodes now being changed i will get used to that in no time. The only thing i would like personally is for the background images to be like they used to be a coupla years ago (solid) and not so light (transparent) but hey thats just me :). Thanks Plex team and please donāt change it back, some of us actually DO like change
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I agree I would like the fanart to be more visible.
First, thanks for continuing to develop the app. Users might not always agree with the changes, but I think itās good that itās not sitting around ignored.
Like others, I also would like to see return of the orange triangle for unwatched episodes, and the full orange bar gone from watched episodes. The problem is that orange is a bright color and draws attention. We donāt want attention drawn to the watched episodes. Having an orange bar on a partially watched episode is something you do want to draw attention to. I also would like to see the Watched/Unwatched terminology returned in place of the newer Played/Unplayed verbiage.
And Iām not seeing a way to get into the stream settings, that allows choosing playback quality and switching between audio and subtitle streams, before starting playback. There used to be a button to open that. Now, I have to start the playback, pause it, and go into the settings.
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Agreed. And Orange Underline is already used throughout the app for exactly that purpose. The currently selected Season, at the top of the screen, gets an Orange Underline.
Thatās still there. Itās under the āā¦ Moreā button. Thatās been one of the other big complaints - that thereās room, but āless usedā functions have been hidden.
I checked again and I see āPlayback Settingsā in the More section for a movie, but not for a TV show.
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100% agree - new GUI is terrible!
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So I experienced the Shuffle complaint that some are having for episodes. It seems odd that itās nested under āMoreāā¦
In my use case scenario, I only found two more options nested under āMore.ā Remove the actual āMoreā button, and youāre left with only adding another button where thereās clearly enough room to do so.
If it has to do with playback functionality, it should be on the surface. If itās navigation, (like Go To Show or something) then it could probably reside under āMore.ā if weāre looking for a litmus test.
After more testing, when I open up a show, the main screen has āPlay Next Episodeā, āMark as Playedā, and āMoreā. This screen doesnāt have āPlayback Settingsā in āMoreā. If I open up a specific season, the āMoreā menu contains āPlayback Settingsā.
