Why is tuning a specific channel so hard?

As someone who just installed Plex for the first time today to be able to stream a movie from my HTPC to my Apple TV, I was excited to also learn that Plex supported live TV and DVR.

I had no idea it could and thought that it may be able to replace Media Center, but after signing up for the free trial of Plex Pass and seeing it in action, I’m highly disappointed at the lack of a standard TV guide. I will definitely be cancelling before the trial period is over because of this.

Like many others have said in this thread, I hope that it can be prioritized. It seems like such a basic thing to have when Plex has so many other features and does so many other things so well.

Yep. Back to emby, cancelling monthly.

@“ryan@gameroomsolutions.com” said:
Yep. Back to emby, cancelling monthly.

FYI this maybe of interest

https://forums.plex.tv/discussion/298470/grid-view-update-for-dvr-program-guide#latest

@SE56 said:

@“ryan@gameroomsolutions.com” said:
Yep. Back to emby, cancelling monthly.

FYI this maybe of interest

https://forums.plex.tv/discussion/298470/grid-view-update-for-dvr-program-guide#latest

Last quarter of 2017 they said they’d get it in 2017. Then they said Q1 this year for sure. Now it’s Q2 this year for sure. It will be there when it’s there as far as I’m concerned.

Although a grid guide is VERY important to me, given all the other issues they have to fix I’m not holding my breath. Fortunately most of my recordings are not one offs. It’s not ideal but I keep TitanTV open in my browser and can navigate to the Plex web-app if needed.

I just wish they’d stop working of dead end things like VR, … I’d also like to see the clients become more ubiquitous, especially the feature sets from the AppleTV, the web-app and the ROKU. Come on guys, it can’t be that difficult to provide a single interface with the same features here…

I believe its the mighty @Oberon from dvblogic/tv-mosaic who is behind the Plex TV product… (he is behind the back-end) - not sure about the grid guide. I believe he is; Pavlo Barvinko.

I’d be a little happier if there was more information and transparency about the key developers and exactly what the holdups are for the grid guide still.

Every product seems to be flawed, SPMC is abandoned by Koying, Kodi 18 frontend is very buggy in dealing with various types of Live TV using dvblink backend - mainly audio stream detection. Plex seems to be plagued by a bunch of h265 HEVC playback issues making it hard to playback 1:1 UHD rips currently due to audio drop outs etc, etc…

I love Plex and just wish promised functionality would be complete and bug free (at-least using a Shield TV as a Plex client).

In the meantime I’ll just make sure I have the bunny ears handy for our old school TV, for when the family/other half moan that things aren’t working quite as expected.

Living through this pain now. Traveling for work and want to watch channel 693. Can’t do it. It’s an NBA game and does not show up on a channel search. Very annoyed.

This is rediculous. I upgraded in hopes to use Plex over Windows Media Center, which is what I’ve been using for the last 5 years with my HDHomerun Primes, over a year ago and was greatly disappointed in the useless application since there was no way to determine live TV programing… Over a year later, still nothing. Guess I’ll check back again in a year.

Hi guys,
We are plex users since a while, but I just bought an ‘EverTime Pass’ for the Live TV and recording funct… that I cannot use, because of the missing ‘Classic TV Grid’. I read the different posts, and hope I’ll be able to record very soon. Just wanted to add me in the wait list :slight_smile:
TIA

If there should be further delays, adding the channel number to the existing view would be helpful as a temporary workaround/improvement until grid is implemented.

All my channels shows up twice, low def and high def, without channel numbers this is a mess. How do you tune channels without numbers? Some channels show the same shows and I have no idea which one I’m clicking on. I was hopeful to remove the HDHomeRun apps from my FireTVs, but I guess not yet. :frowning:

@twitchcaptain said:
All my channels shows up twice, low def and high def, without channel numbers this is a mess. How do you tune channels without numbers? Some channels show the same shows and I have no idea which one I’m clicking on. I was hopeful to remove the HDHomeRun apps from my FireTVs, but I guess not yet. :frowning:

@twitchcaptain - you can prune down the channels that Plex sees in order to remove duplicates. I know I had to do this with my Comcast TV service and HDHomeRun Prime. In the Plex Server Settings - Live TV & DVR, you should see your tuner listed there. You’ll see the number of available channels, then a clickable number of channels that are “enabled”. Click on that and deselect the channels you don’t want Plex to see. Hopefully this will help you gain at least a little sanity until Plex figures out a better program guide display/UI.

@KarlDag said:
The use of the guide like emby’s is trademarked and requires licensing… Plex decided to cut that cost by offering you the current browsing style. Doubt that changes, unless people are ready to pay for this.

I call B.S. a grid style guide is NOT trademarked. It does require a bit more programing is all. Lame excuse.

@Jacksondorf said:

@KarlDag said:
The use of the guide like emby’s is trademarked and requires licensing… Plex decided to cut that cost by offering you the current browsing style. Doubt that changes, unless people are ready to pay for this.

I call B.S. a grid style guide is NOT trademarked. It does require a bit more programing is all. Lame excuse.

No that’s well known that there were patents (made a mistake saying trademark). Google “epg patent”…

If you don’t ask you don’t get an answer… I just got an update from @kinoCharlino through private message;
“Patents are not standing in the way of current progress on this much requested feature. We’re in the midst of working on it now and it’s the community will appreciate the time and effort being put into getting it right. Just recently I was in an Airbnb that had a cable company’s (intentionally not mentioning their name!) EPG guide and my jaw dropped… and not in a good way. I’m pretty sure I heaved over, holding back a gag reflex! I bet we could have pumped out a quick, easy solution – but that would not have been a good experience. We’re looking forward to getting it into your hands soon.”

Sounds like it could well be worth waiting for.
Way to go Plex!

I have to say I have a lot of respect for the Plex team for the transparency - It is both unusual and refreshing from a global company and reinforces the reasons why I continue to support them - come on guys get your lifetime Plex passes if you don’t already have one!

@ashley-plex said:
If you don’t ask you don’t get an answer… I just got an update from @kinoCharlino through private message;
“Patents are not standing in the way of current progress on this much requested feature. We’re in the midst of working on it now and it’s the community will appreciate the time and effort being put into getting it right. Just recently I was in an Airbnb that had a cable company’s (intentionally not mentioning their name!) EPG guide and my jaw dropped… and not in a good way. I’m pretty sure I heaved over, holding back a gag reflex! I bet we could have pumped out a quick, easy solution – but that would not have been a good experience. We’re looking forward to getting it into your hands soon.”

Sounds like it could well be worth waiting for.
Way to go Plex!

I have to say I have a lot of respect for the Plex team for the transparency - It is both unusual and refreshing from a global company and reinforces the reasons why I continue to support them - come on guys get your lifetime Plex passes if you don’t already have one!

Keyword being “current progress”. Parents are the reason we didn’t get epg before. http://forums.plex.tv/discussion/289552/

And Plex is probably the least transparent company I deal with… No bug tracker, no roadmap, nothing… I’m happy if you’re happy, but I’ve had a lifetime sub for 3-4 years and recently bought Emby’s lifetime premiere to encourage them because Plex has shown time and time again that they won’t fix issues many users have with the product.

Just bought an HD Homerun tuner to replace my Tablo DVR and start using PLEX for my DVR needs… I thought I was missing something when I finally got it working… no channel grid?! Wow…I think the PLEX team is awesome and does amazing work, but this just killed the Live TV functionality for me. I guess I am keeping the Tablo for now. I really hope this isn’t a feature that gets constantly pushed -_-

@Arthaniel said:
Just bought an HD Homerun tuner to replace my Tablo DVR and start using PLEX for my DVR needs… I thought I was missing something when I finally got it working… no channel grid?! Wow…I think the PLEX team is awesome and does amazing work, but this just killed the Live TV functionality for me. I guess I am keeping the Tablo for now. I really hope this isn’t a feature that gets constantly pushed -_-

I’ve gone through about that exact same transition - was on TabloTV and moved to Plex. Long story short, I’ve ended up using HDHomerun’s software as my main TV watching and DVR solution. Yes, partly because of “the GRID”, but more so because Live TV and DVR on Plex was simply just unreliable. I had many instances where it could not tune a channel (I’m on cable service, not Over-The-Air), or a DVR recording would fail mid-stream, or a scheduled DVR recording wouldn’t run at all, or … I guess I’ll stop now. I’ve found SiliconDust’s HDHomeRun app and DVR to be much more reliable. Still no traditional GRID with HDHomeRun, but at least I can watch TV and rely on my recordings.

just keeps going.
I cant’t believe that Chanel selection for live would be that hard even if grid is.

It’s not that hard. But someone would have to decide to allow up/down channel or the ability to type in a few numbers to switch channels easily (similar to pass code entry). It sometimes seems the people in charge of features have never used a basic TV before or are trying to rewrite how everyone else should use it. It’s crazy.