Hm... PLEX VR?

I don’t know how many of you guys have messed with VR or not but it is entertaining. I’ve not tried Plex’s VR yet as I don’t have Daydream but Samsung Gear instead. Maybe on my next phone update.

But I did want to comment that if you check out the forums you will see many threads with people asking for a VR implementation. So it’s not fair to say this is a feature no one asked for as that’s obviously not true at all.

I think this could have a good overall outcome for many people even if you don’t use VR. It ads a whole new realm to the way Plex now needs to think about menus and UI interactions which will play a part in other apps. It also brings a feature or two that will probably be filtered through to other apps as well.

Carlo

The fact that ‘basic’ Plex features such as locking metadata continue to work sporadically for me and yet the Plex team keeps stacking on new features is beyond frustrating. Is it too much to ask that we at least get the foundation working properly before moving on? I have been using Plex for nearly five years now and have been a lifetime Plex Pass holder for equally as long. I am finding myself exploring alternatives as the issues are simply sucking the fun out of my hobby.

That’s really not realistic. When you have 50 devs with different backgrounds and specialties you can’t assume you can throw everyone on say the server portion which may be written in a language that only 5 to 10 total team members can program in. It’s also not usually a good idea to have a ton of devs working on the same small code base.

PS I’ve got tons of files and use locking of metadata on many files and haven’t experience issues. Try opening a new thread in the server area to cover problems like this and we can make sure there is a ticket open if the problem can be reproduced.

Carlo

So that’s why some devs are doing News, others are working on user tracking, some on VR and the CTO himself works on PlexAmp … all while major bugs stay unfixed for months.

Yeah, I get it. The company is run by professionals that know exactly what they are doing.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha … good joke.

I just watched Star Trek in VR and I love the idea of it. I wish there was a Samsung VR version of it though. Also, is there a way to switch “seats”? Like for the car drive in, anyway to switch cars? Or switch to the passenger seat? etc

@robamcclellan said:
I just watched Star Trek in VR and I love the idea of it. I wish there was a Samsung VR version of it though. Also, is there a way to switch “seats”? Like for the car drive in, anyway to switch cars? Or switch to the passenger seat? etc

… Or the back seat!!! >:) :smiley:

@rcadden said:
Actually, I’ve used my GearVR to watch movies on a flight and it was amazing - so much better than craning my neck to look at a laptop/tablet, and much more immersive.

I’m just pissed they released this for the Daydream that no one has instead of the GearVR that people actually own.

I love the idea of VR but the screen door effect is too much for me currently. When high res displays are out it’ll take care of itself but right now it’s terrible.

But what I do like is my 12" Samsung Galaxy Book tablet. It has a 3k HDR screen, great for flights combined with windows sonic you get HDR + 7.1 surround sound! I combine with these: TabletHookz v2.0 - tablet and phone holder for the plane, train and car, fits all sizes of iPads and iPhones and many more devices

It’s a 60 degree viewing angle from where you sit - pretty immersive and the equivalent of sitting 1.2m away from a 65" screen.

@marcelhehle said:
So that’s why some devs are doing News, others are working on user tracking, some on VR and the CTO himself works on PlexAmp … all while major bugs stay unfixed for months.

Yeah, I get it. The company is run by professionals that know exactly what they are doing.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha … good joke.

Yes exactly. What is the problem with this? Only X people can work on certain portions of the code at a time.
Would you prefer there was only say 5 total employees who only worked on the Server. Then when all the “bugs” are fixed they learn how to program for Roku. Then when they have that they learn UAP programming and work on XBox. Then when that’s done they learn Android programming, etc?

Then they go back to server and work on DVR/Live TV. Then one by one add the hooks for this into the clients?

Is that the type of goofy programming you would prefer?

Personally, I’d rather have experts in each programming language working on what they are experts in and know the devices well they are working on. You can support many more staff members with parallel programming techniques where each person knows one or two specialties. This way there is always people working on some parts of the system you care about while maybe some other dev work is being done on things you personally don’t care about.

"News, others are working on user tracking, some on VR and the CTO himself works on PlexAmp "

Sure maybe things like these as well as Cloud or even DVR/Live TV aren’t important to you but they are to many other people. We all have are own features we like and features we don’t use. Just because you or I don’t use a particular feature doesn’t mean other don’t or that development time shouldn’t be spent on them.

Plex is a business and has to work on features that bring in new users or provide mechanisms to make it profitable.

I get allocating resources in the correct locations based on skillset. I work in a corporate environment, and we do this all the time. I absolutely wouldn’t want someone without the proper skillset working on something they barely understand.

I’ve been thinking about the PR aspect of it though… Because most of the universe doesn’t understand allocations and such, it just plainly looks bad to be releasing new material when there’s a large audience complaining about the older material. It might be better if they were active in addressing the growing concerns. As it stands, there are people out there with issues that they’ve paid good money for that don’t have any reassurances or answers.

I respect the amount of work the Ninjas have put in to help solve issues, but you can only do so much while they work on the software. It just might be a wiser move to hold a shiny new toy from release until good solid fixes for the DVR issues are in place.

@AmazingRando24 not much to disagree with in that post. :slight_smile:

Sometimes it’s perception and that does matter, no doubt about it. But Plex has been going back fixing a lot of older bugs and adding features that have been asked for over a period of time. They are also looking into and working on other highly requested features. It’s a never ending development cycle.

Sometimes I don’t think non programmers really understand how something that seems simple enough can cause lots of little bugs here and there that need to get wacked. Take HW transcoding as an example. It’s a core part of the Plex server and is already taken for granted (which is good) but it took enormous amounts of dev and testing resources overall to get that into a stable release that just basically works. But it ads tremendous power to the server.

New additions like this surely add bugs along the way that need to get wacked and it’s virtually impossible to not go through that growing pain unless it was kept under wraps for a year only being used by employees/ninja/testers.

The DVR portion of the code has come a long way and I look forward to you guys getting the version Charles has mentioned recently with new fixes in it that are undergoing testing as I type this. But as I mentioned earlier this work is ongoing while other parts of the code are being coded as well.

No reason at all why the Xbox guys can’t be getting their client of choice worked on while the DVR/Live TV guys get their code worked on while a new unique client like VR is added to the mix. While I’m not going to be a big user of VR I think it’s very cool technology, but I see the value it brings to the table for other clients. It will make the team think about UI in more unique ways and not just from a 10 foot or web interface kind of way. It also brings new functionality with it that can make it’s way into other clients as well like synced playback which has been asked for.

Sort of the same with PlexAmp which some people love and other think might be a waste of time. We each have features will love and want in Plex. Amp brings gapless playback and crossovers, etc which could make their way to other clients since the Server now supports it. For many features a lot of backend work needs to get done before a client can use the feature. This is a perfect example of that from Plex Labs.

Sorry, @cayars , but - setting the hobby project aquisition aside - the only thing that came to mind when I saw the email with the announcement is the Dr. Ian Malcolm quote . . .

Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, that they didn’t stop to think if they should.

Jumping on a “trendy” feature, while leaving other things with an appearance of being neglected is not a good way to go.
We’re still waiting on so many features that have been supported by many people here and those don’t even get properly addressed by the Plex Inc, let alone being on some kind of roadmap. Instead we get Plex VR or photo albums favorites. Or severely restricted and underperforming Plex Cloud.
We finally got a whiff of proper “Collections” after how many years of shipping that idea? Five or more? And we still got a half-baked feature.

If they ignore our needs, why do they even ask? Both Ninjas and Employees often claim that Plex Inc doesn’t publish any roadmaps or plans for future development. Well, it looks like it’s because they’re making it up as they go . . .

Meanwhile my server crashes every time someone streams with an ATV.

@Monsters_Grin said:
Sorry, @cayars , but - setting the hobby project aquisition aside - the only thing that came to mind when I saw the email with the announcement is the Dr. Ian Malcolm quote . . .

Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, that they didn’t stop to think if they should.

I can’t say I’d disagree with that quote :slight_smile:

This isn’t going to be a feature I personally will use much at all but I know other people who love VR technology. I don’t know how this will pan out but if we gain from other aspects of the VR technology and it has it’s own developer than I’d wager it’s a good business model since it will bring in more $ for Plex which is a good thing.

Time will tell but I’d caution to hold back comments until we see how this affects Plex down the road.

Jumping on a “trendy” feature, while leaving other things with an appearance of being neglected is not a good way to go.
We’re still waiting on so many features that have been supported by many people here and those don’t even get properly addressed by the Plex Inc, let alone being on some kind of roadmap. Instead we get Plex VR or photo albums favorites. Or severely restricted and underperforming Plex Cloud.

Sometimes we assume to much. As a hypothetical example if a feature was created/fixed by an employee on their own time because it’s something they like/wanted is this a bad thing it’s shared with everyone especially when some other people request it? Sometimes some things come about this way. That is even one of the focus points if I understand correctly behind Plex Labs.

We finally got a whiff of proper “Collections” after how many years of shipping that idea? Five or more? And we still got a half-baked feature.

Well it’s not a whiff and fully works now and is being added to the other clients that don’t already support it. Several features are now rolling out to other clients not originally targeted. Collections, DVR control, Live TV to name just a couple of popular ones.

Plex has been releasing lots of good stuff most people can use in the last year or so. Yes, some have problems but that’s part of growing pains but they are being addressed and constantly worked on. Live TV, DVR and collections again are prime examples. Other recent big ones were Hardware transcoding and adjustable bitrate on the fly transcoding for mobile devices as well as local file playback.

If they ignore our needs, why do they even ask? Both Ninjas and Employees often claim that Plex Inc doesn’t publish any roadmaps or plans for future development. Well, it looks like it’s because they’re making it up as they go . . .

They are certainly not ignoring us and have been spending a large portion of time on enhancements that have been asked for here in the forums. They of course also have sprung a few pet projects on us as well. Some more popular (ie PlexAmp) than others (ie News). But what some of you don’t realize is that some of these are foundation or first/intro pieces of better things to come using the same technology.

Some have a purpose beyond what is apparent right now at present. They are foundation pieces to be built on for even better things to come.

@WAYFLIX said:
Meanwhile my server crashes every time someone streams with an ATV.

Got a link to a thread with you info and logs in it? I’ll assist if possible.

Carlo

@cayars said:

@WAYFLIX said:
Meanwhile my server crashes every time someone streams with an ATV.

Got a link to a thread with you info and logs in it? I’ll assist if possible.

Carlo

I am hoping tonight’s update fixed it. If not I’ll let you know.

I’m all for Plex supporting VR…but I’m an iOS user, so I guess we’ll have to wait on that.

Currently, I run Mobile VR Station on my iPhone 6 Plus, and use the Plex DLNA server to access and view my library in VR. This actually works very well, but it would be better to have a PLEX “VR” user interface instead of having to use the Plex DLNA navigation interface. Also, since it is UPnP/DLNA, I can’t stream outside of my local network. It would be great to have a fix for that scenario (traveling), for which I’m assuming a Plex “VR” app (or simply an iOS feature added to the Plex iOS app) would support. In the meantime, when traveling, I just have to download movies/shows I want to watch into the Mobile VR Station app…which I would need to do anyway for the plane ride…regardless of VR or not.

As far as picture quality is concerned, VR looks GREAT on my iPhone 6 Plus. (I haven’t upgraded to 4K content/devices yet, and so all of my content is still 1080p…which in-fact looks terrific in VR on my iPhone 6 Plus.) I don’t really see a “Screen Door” effect that others have mentioned… With the Mobile VR Station Movie Theater Background, it feels like I’m in an actual Movie Theater, AND the movies look better in VR than the last movie I saw in a real theater. (I just watched Bladerunner 2049 in VR on my iPhone 6 Plus from my Plex DLNA, and it was an awesome experience! Picture Quality seemed superb to me.) Also, all of my VR headsets are cheap, mediocre headsets…but even so, picture is just fine. (Again, I wanted a VR headset that would be “travel” friendly. My current favorite is a $7.00 “VRGO” folding headset which collapses nicely to fit in my computer bag, but is still reasonably comfortable. I also have a set of 2VR-Stimuli glasses, which are OK, but too uncomfortable for long term viewing…but they travel VERY well…)

Anyway, just my 2 cents on VR & Plex…

I’d rather see a half working htpc client with a decent UI and Linux support after all these years then news, plexamp or VR to be honest.

@stefanvanruiten said:
I’d rather see a half working htpc client with a decent UI and Linux support after all these years then news, plexamp or VR to be honest.

What do you mean? You already have one of the best Plex clients available on LINUX and it’s open source to boot. PMP is sort of a flag ship client.

@cayars said:

@stefanvanruiten said:
I’d rather see a half working htpc client with a decent UI and Linux support after all these years then news, plexamp or VR to be honest.

What do you mean? You already have one of the best Plex clients available on LINUX and it’s open source to boot. PMP is sort of a flag ship client.

Well after 2 years the PMP UI is still kinda sucky and it doesn’t have a supported Linux version yet either.

I was using Kodi on Ubuntu with PlexForKodi but that son add-on doesn’t seem supported anymore so currently the only way to have a good htpc experience is by using a third party plugin PlexKodiConnect.

@cayars said:
I can’t say I’d disagree with that quote :slight_smile:

I’m glad :wink: . But disappointed that it comes to mind so often with Plex.

@cayars said:
Sometimes we assume to much. As a hypothetical example if a feature was created/fixed by an employee on their own time because it’s something they like/wanted is this a bad thing it’s shared with everyone especially when some other people request it? Sometimes some things come about this way. That is even one of the focus points if I understand correctly behind Plex Labs.

Ok, but at the same time we have third-party software created by plex employees, and this software is used by waaaaay more people than those who would use VR - and this one’s functionality is not being integrated into PMS. And it should. That kind of choice was clearly made by someone who’s not aware of the community.

@cayars said:
Well it’s not a whiff and fully works now and is being added to the other clients that don’t already support it.

The fact that it works doesn’t mean it works as it should :wink: . For example - you can use TMDb collections data, the FAQ claims that “This may cause many unwanted collections to be automatically created, particularly collections where you only have one item.” I don’t believe there’s no way of preventing that. For example - they could give the admin the ability to set the minimum required number of items to create a collection. If we don’t have some kind of way to automate things like that, then we basically got tags and a fancy way of presenting them :wink: .

@cayars said:
They are certainly not ignoring us and have been spending a large portion of time on enhancements that have been asked for here in the forums.

But the appearance suggests otherwise. Because, if we don’t get any info about the plans and suddenly we get hit with an announcement about a feature nobody asked for and only handful would even try to use, then people assume that you don’t even listen to them.

@cayars said:
But what some of you don’t realize is that some of these are foundation or first/intro pieces of better things to come using the same technology.

Some have a purpose beyond what is apparent right now at present. They are foundation pieces to be built on for even better things to come.

Please, help us realize :slight_smile: . We don’t “realize” because Plex Inc keeps everyone in the dark. And that “wait and maybe you’ll see” approach is really discouraging.

@stefanvanruiten said:

@cayars said:

@stefanvanruiten said:
I’d rather see a half working htpc client with a decent UI and Linux support after all these years then news, plexamp or VR to be honest.

What do you mean? You already have one of the best Plex clients available on LINUX and it’s open source to boot. PMP is sort of a flag ship client.

Well after 2 years the PMP UI is still kinda sucky (…)

I agree. For example - I don’t like the way they “attempted” to get rid of server selection. And yes, I say “attempted” because they didn’t really.
Let’s say someone has multiple libraries with shows ( for example, with metadata language as the only difference ) - they have to select the specific library anyway (and with that, a specific server ). Otherwise, they’ll most likely get metadata from a different library (and different language) than they actually desired.
There should be an ability to select multiple metadata languages for libraries - that way the user could select their default and there would be no need to select a specific library (that would remove some clutter and eliminate the need to scan files for each library.
And if a user selected to play the item that’s present on multiple servers, it could be presented like “Play version” feature but with server names alongside version details (after all, we have to take into account the possibility that multiple servers could have multiple versions of the same item).

I’m rambling. I know :smiley: .

Plex Inc should ask for the community opinion more often. And actually listen to it . . .
(I’m not talking about another roundtables - I didn’t see any conclusions drawn from those.)

@stefanvanruiten said:

@cayars said:

@stefanvanruiten said:
I’d rather see a half working htpc client with a decent UI and Linux support after all these years then news, plexamp or VR to be honest.

What do you mean? You already have one of the best Plex clients available on LINUX and it’s open source to boot. PMP is sort of a flag ship client.

Well after 2 years the PMP UI is still kinda sucky and it doesn’t have a supported Linux version yet either.

I was using Kodi on Ubuntu with PlexForKodi but that son add-on doesn’t seem supported anymore so currently the only way to have a good htpc experience is by using a third party plugin PlexKodiConnect.

They need to implement @Orca’s Samsung TV app UI as the default UI for all platforms; it is by far the best of them all.