Plex Cloud vs VPS - why we went with a VPS

As someone who is only just getting accustomed to Ubuntu, is there a guide or anything out there on how to get plexdrive working?

I get this error when trying to mount plexdrive mount helper error: fusermount: fuse device not found, try ‘modprobe fuse’ first

Ahhhhhhhhhhh!!! My Goodness!!! ACD_CLI and RClone have been disallowed by Amazon!!! :frowning:

@javiervitorero@me.com said:
Ahhhhhhhhhhh!!! My Goodness!!! ACD_CLI and RClone have been disallowed by Amazon!!! :frowning:
I suspect that it’s just a temporary glitch that rclone stopped working with ACD just like it did about a month ago. I doubt that this is anything permanent.

@zuditechguy said:
I get this error when trying to mount plexdrive mount helper error: fusermount: fuse device not found, try ‘modprobe fuse’ first

Looks like you don’t have fuse installed…

sudo apt-get install fuse

I was looking at some of the hosting companies you guys use and some of them only come with limited drive space. One of the popular one’s I’ve seen mentioned only has 40GB of space. Some also only mention 1TB network disk space.

Plex doesn’t work well with network space used for meta-data, transcodes, etc so I’m wondering how you make out with these servers?

Also how do you get by with only 40GB or so of local space for the DB, meta-data and the transcode directory?

Thanks,
Carlo

40 GB has worked quite well for me. I’m not storing any videos on my server so all that’s needed is transcoding space. Keep in mind that this is Linux so while a basic install of a Windows Server will eat up 20-30 GB before you actually do anything, the Linux OS and its files only take up a 1-2 GB typically. [Not making this a Linux versus Windows discussion; both OSs offer some things the opposite doesn’t and each has their own purpose]

Since everyone is different, I should point out that my Plex media library is about 3.5 TB in size (stored in ACD and Google). My Plex installation takes up about 4-5 GB of disk space on the VPS (/var/lib/plexmediaserver) and that includes the internal database. TV show episodes are usually small files 1 GB or less so even caching an entire episode via rclone or PlexDrive settings isn’t using much space. Movies tend to vary from 1 GB to 20 GB (when ripping movies, I saw little to no benefit in creating 40 GB raw digital copies) and most (~90-95%) of my movies are under 5 GB.

All told, I’m using about 6 GB of disk before I start playing with buffering and caching settings and transcoding videos.

Reports from the rclone community are suggesting that Amazon has verified that it’s cutting access for non-authorized 3rd party apps. This includes rclone. Your data can still be accessed, but only through an authorized app.

@mdnitoil said:
Reports from the rclone community are suggesting that Amazon has verified that it’s cutting access for non-authorized 3rd party apps. This includes rclone. Your data can still be accessed, but only through an authorized app.

Yeah that is what I am seeing as well…
Thankfully I moved on to GDrive some time ago

I’m very glad now that I was too lazy to learn how to use rclone!! Lol

@mdnitoil said:
Reports from the rclone community are suggesting that Amazon has verified that it’s cutting access for non-authorized 3rd party apps. This includes rclone. Your data can still be accessed, but only through an authorized app.

That’s potentially massive news and will anger many.

@hthighway said:

@mdnitoil said:
Reports from the rclone community are suggesting that Amazon has verified that it’s cutting access for non-authorized 3rd party apps. This includes rclone. Your data can still be accessed, but only through an authorized app.

Yeah that is what I am seeing as well…
Thankfully I moved on to GDrive some time ago

Just went through that huge thread… it sure doesn’t look good for ACD. I too use GDrive predominantly because it’s just so much snappier and reliable, but in the end they are just those throw away eBay accounts.

I planned to keep ACD as the “one account to rule them all” and also to permanently mount private family photo albums etc.

It’s still early days and the RClone developer hasn’t commented yet, so I’ll reserve getting overly emotional for a later time :confused:

@cayars said:
I was looking at some of the hosting companies you guys use and some of them only come with limited drive space. One of the popular one’s I’ve seen mentioned only has 40GB of space. Some also only mention 1TB network disk space.

Plex doesn’t work well with network space used for meta-data, transcodes, etc so I’m wondering how you make out with these servers?

Also how do you get by with only 40GB or so of local space for the DB, meta-data and the transcode directory?

Thanks,
Carlo

I just checked SSD Nodes: it says 17.34 GB of 40 GB Used / 22.66 GB Free. This includes everything, OS (Ubuntu), Plex and a few tiny packages I installed.

Our files are hosted on two cloud services (fingers crossed this will be possible in the future still!), nothing is local except when it buffers content I guess. We have about 1,200 movies, 275 shows (23,000+ episodes) plus thousands of family photos.

I would say that 1TB of data transfer is VERY skimpy… probably impossible. Especially the first month Plex all but used up the full 4TB, the second month was not much better. It seems to FINALLY have finished all the deep scanning and it’s now settling down, but it’s still using far more data on the daily scan jobs than regular watching!

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@per_PLEX_ed said:

@hthighway said:

@mdnitoil said:
Reports from the rclone community are suggesting that Amazon has verified that it’s cutting access for non-authorized 3rd party apps. This includes rclone. Your data can still be accessed, but only through an authorized app.

Yeah that is what I am seeing as well…
Thankfully I moved on to GDrive some time ago

Just went through that huge thread… it sure doesn’t look good for ACD. I too use GDrive predominantly because it’s just so much snappier and reliable, but in the end they are just those throw away eBay accounts.

I planned to keep ACD as the “one account to rule them all” and also to permanently mount private family photo albums etc.

It’s still early days and the RClone developer hasn’t commented yet, so I’ll reserve getting overly emotional for a later time :confused:

I was effectively using ACD as the encrypted backup for Gsuite. I figured I would be able to copy out of it if I needed to. Now I suppose I’m looking at a second gsuite. We’ll see how it goes. If they allow rclone to continue dumping data without the thrashing drive mounts, that would still work for me.

I was effectively using ACD as the encrypted backup for Gsuite. I figured I would be able to copy out of it if I needed to. Now I suppose I’m looking at a second gsuite. We’ll see how it goes. If they allow rclone to continue dumping data without the thrashing drive mounts, that would still work for me.

What I did is I have main Gsuite account with all media unencrypted … I then use a Windows VPS with Gsuite Google drive mounted to a drive letter using NetDrvie2 … then use the “Net Use” command to map share from the NetDrive2 Gsuite drive to another drive letter. Then CrashPlan program is able to see the files. I then back those up to their servers encrypted. So I figure worst case if Gsuite was ever to suddenly pull the plug on me or somehow a massive amount of data is lost or deleted in error I can recovery it. Crashplan also does block level backups and file revisions so I find it a bit more hearty than just a one to one copy on a different cloud storage provider. Then of course you could backup other data from other cloud services. Also if you happen to get Crashplan family account you can use it to backup other computers as well.

I am not sure you could get this to work with Rclone mount in Linux or not.

Looks like there’s a Linux client for this, so I could theoretically dump it on to the VPS, mount the google drive and back it up that way.

@per_PLEX_ed, @Chris Teasdale
I was curios due to the size of the Plex meta-data directories more than anything else. Those directories are local regardless of where the actual media is stored.

I don’t remember what it’s like to have a “normal” size installation anymore which is why I asked.

Thanks

How are you guys dealing with the files you have encrypted through rclone on Amazon if you access the files via a different method?

Are you pulling down the files locally or to another host then using rclone to access them with encryption?

Stablebit CloudDrive with Google drive doesn’t look like such a bad option after all now with Amazon cutting rclone out of the mix.

Still a bit annoying I’m only getting 120 - 140Mb up on a 1Gb line though with it.