Should I “upgrade” my libraries?
Another reason to definitely not upgrade is if you use Trakt.
What do I have to do to get a response to my questions here?
Is all agent extensibility and prioritization of metadata sources completely dropped?
This is a major regression, IMO, and I will not be switching until I can prioritize metadata from multiple sources - one of those sources being NFO files.
I have also created a separate thread of my own but have gotten no response.
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As i did here with the issues with Trakt and the new agent.
Strangeness for one show when scrobbling to trakt - General / Plex Features - Plex Forum
Again radio silence.
But let’s face it, It’s Plex. Partially working is always good enough.
As much as I really love the Plex client UI lately its not enough reason to keep me here when proper .nfo and trakt support exists in all the other server options.
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Partially working is one thing. I have come to accept that. But an “upgrade” that doesn’t have the same features as the previous implementation, is not an upgrade.
I understand that the new agent is faster and that there is better matching, but I don’t have these issues with the old agent as I have Sonarr/Radarr configured to trigger library updates and have rarely needed to fix matches since my files are named correctly.
I have also heard rumblings of Trakt issues with the upgrade to 1.24. Frustrating to say the least.
I have started to seriously test-drive Emby and have even brought a few external users into the test at this point.
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Yeah I used to run it alongside Plex a few years ago.
I’m currently trying Jellyfin (just because I can) and though its improving I will probably switch to Emby.
I already have Emby Premiere from a few years ago.
@OttoKerner, I added the episode’s to TVDB but I still don’t get a match? I tried the “tvdb-408217” manual method and no luck.
https://thetvdb.com/series/the-herd-with-colin-cowherd
S2021E177 is the episode I am matching. It matches automatically when I switch over to the TVDB agent, but I get the “upgrade” notification. If I click on the notification it scans every library, even though the notification is only for the one library I changed the agent to TVDB. The other libraries have already been fully scanned with the new agent and there have been no changes to the other libraries.
Those changes take several days to travel from the metadata websites into plex.tv
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OK, Thanks. I unchecked “update metadata” when I upgraded the library after switching back to the new agent from TVDB and it didn’t scan every library, which is good news.
some tv shows “series” that are not maintain and sometimes maintained in 1 language and not another.
why is it mandatory to “refresh metadata” at all?
When you “upgrade” the libraries, there is an option to NOT “update metadata”. Otherwise it will scan every file in all your libraries.
I’ve decided to bite the bullet and start to switch over. I have followed the steps so the meta data doesn’t always refresh and have started by just doing the tv show library. I am doing one show at a time and with each refresh I am having to pick posters again as they do not save and they do change. This is making me want to not update the movie library having to manually choose a poster for 4000 movies again seems like a ball-ache.
Based on earlier in the thread, I believe the purpose of refreshing all the metadata is to update the guid for all the media so that the it is using the new guid format. The old metadata guid (using scanner “Plex Series Scanner” and agent “TheTVDB”) had a guid format of com.plexapp.agents.thetvdb://378746/1/5?lang=en
In the above example the info relates as follows:
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378746 is the TVDB id number
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/1/ equals the season
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5?lang=en equals the episode and I am pretty sure the episode language
The difference for just a season guid is com.plexapp.agents.thetvdb://378746/1?lang=en and the for the series guid is com.plexapp.agents.thetvdb://378746?lang=en. I haven’t made the change yet for the TV agent so I don’t have an example right now (and I can’t remember if I used the new agent on my test server’s library).
When dealing with the movie agent you went from this:
Plex Movie (Legacy): com.plexapp.agents.imdb://tt2788710?lang=en
to
Plex Movie (Current): plex://movie/5d776a64ad5437001f77c93c
So refreshing all the metadata will make those changes for all your media (in theory it should be for just that library but reports earlier in this thread make it seem like that is not the case.
If you use the auto upgrade option, then yes that is the case. However, if you go based on the articles that @OttoKerner gave to do a manual upgrade of your agent, then I am pretty sure there is an option to not update metadata by just not doing a complete refresh of metadata on the whole library.
Edit: I realized afterward evenars reply to me I misread the quoted text. Either method allows you to not have the metadata refreshed automatically, but reading OttoKerner’s one post, the reason for the recommendation of manually doing the update is so that you can make sure you verify and/or customize the agent preferences settings so they fit your personal preferences better.
Now I will preface this with the fact that the upgrade to the movie agent was handled differently from what I can recall as none of my metadata was refreshed automatically when I did that and I slowly overtime have been refreshing metadata manually on movies that still have the old guid (I can usually tell this because the poster tends to change as does the description and I also get a background image and (usually) more and/or better cast images). That said, I believe in doing the manual upgrade it would be similar for the TV libraries and then you would be able to refresh the metadata at your own will and also be cognizant of any chances that occur so you could change them back if you want/need.
I will add, based on what OttoKerner has said (I believe it was them), it does seem like you won’t get the true full benefit/advantage (whatever you want to call it) of the libraries until the metadata is refreshed because you will not have the new guid info. I believe that will allow some cool stuff though like having actors work be linked between different libraries (I feel like I read that in the TV agent beta thread, so take that with a grain of salt as I’m not 100% certain I am remembering correctly).
Anyway, sorry for the long post, just wanted to try and give some answers based on my observations and what I think is accurate info. OttoKerner (or any Plex employee that knows the info) is more than welcome to correct anything that I said that is incorrect as I am not (intentionally) trying to spread false info.
-Shark2k
Is plex going to automatically refresh metadata on a schedule? This is kind of useless now, having episodes that were added to a library a week ago and still don’t have episode info because plex hadn’t retrieved it from tmdb at the time it was added to the library.
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Have YOU actually “upgraded” your libraries?
is this new agent still getting all its info from thetvdb? it was bad enough having one metadata source that was completely subject to change depending on the whims of the editors…am I now going to have to resolve discrepancies between where plex and thetvdb think a season starts and ends? I’m sure you’re aware that the vast majority of us are not filling our libraries with bluray rips from our own purchased media. if your database is going to differ from thetvdb, will there be an api that sonarr, sickbeard, etc can use to scrape the requisite info from?
You always had the ability to pick either TheTVDB or TheMovieDB.
The new agent lets you select the episode ordering from TMDB or TheTVDB. This global preference in the library level can be over-ridden on a by-show basis.
I’d say if you stick to the episode ordering from TMDB, you are good.
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It is the same as it always was in Plex. New edits take some time before they are available.
There is currently no scheduled metadata refresh available, except in “music” libraries.
That’s about right. Until you refresh the metadata, the conversion is not complete.
Which then leads to unexpected behaviour when you add a “quality upgrade” to an item or move the media files from one library folder to another one.
Because this will then lead to the situation that the newly added files will get a guid from the new agent, while the old items still have an old guid.
Which means to Plex: These are different media.
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Why would it be that I’ve chose for ratings to be taken from TVDB but I am getting ratings on some shows from TVDB and other shows from TMDB. Why can’t we have IMDB scores for tv shows but we can for movies?!
