Live TV for friends?

Maybe someone like @sa2000 or another Plex employee can jump in and respond. It was interesting that they called it a bug on here but did not mention it in their patch notes for this latest version.

My guess is they there are some legal implications of leaving a “bug” like this open that allows easy sharing of “LiveTV” from other people’s markets. Like you said, it would be nice for them to just come out and say it though!

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@jpringle03 said:
Maybe someone like @sa2000 or another Plex employee can jump in and respond. It was interesting that they called it a bug on here but did not mention it in their patch notes for this latest version.

They purposely left it out of the release notes too. You see they just listed the newer version of the web under the media player version but did not put a patch note under the web. Then they again updated the web just a little while ago and have patch notes. Very sad. Stick with old version forever!

@“Brian.Watson” said:
My guess is they there are some legal implications of leaving a “bug” like this open that allows easy sharing of “LiveTV” from other people’s markets. Like you said, it would be nice for them to just come out and say it though!

You would imagine this or they are just not yet ready to release it and it is considered a bug until then. Really do not see much difference between sharing your media vs live tv after all its technically not live tv. Its a little behind and takes about 10 seconds to start.

Updated without realizing they would take away such a great
 “bug.” Luckily the old version was saved in the app data. I rolled back and I’m sharing live TV again to friends.

They all love it so I would feel crappy taking it away. Apparently Plex doesn’t share the same sentiment.

Way to go Plex :expressionless:

@“hackztor@gmail.com” said:

@“Brian.Watson” said:
My guess is they there are some legal implications of leaving a “bug” like this open that allows easy sharing of “LiveTV” from other people’s markets. Like you said, it would be nice for them to just come out and say it though!

You would imagine this or they are just not yet ready to release it and it is considered a bug until then. Really do not see much difference between sharing your media vs live tv after all its technically not live tv. Its a little behind and takes about 10 seconds to start.

Naaaa, I’m sticking with what I said


I would really like this “BUG” to be a feature.

I think the “Bug” show’s it’s easily possible and works as intended. The issue is the ramifications that occur when sharing TV outside of your network. Other “subscription” services that have shared broadcast television over the internet have meant their demise legally and I feel Plex Legal is attempting to provide a “service” while continuing to skirt the legality of this “Bug”. Although a disappointment, unintended it may be, I’m happy to at least have these TV features in Plex even if as Home Users.

But hey, that’s why we have VPN Tunnels.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aereo as someone mentioned before, this is EXACTLY what is being addressed, preventing that from happening to Plex.

Nah, you can stream you own hosted hardware to your family inside and outside your house. Look at Tivo and Tablo. What Aereo did was resell a service that was “public” and no longer private. The customer did not own the hardware, it wasn’t at the customer’s house, etc. Drastic difference.

You are allowed to make copies DVR/PVR of your TV service as well as stream your own TV content for your household’s private use.

Plex itself knows this but is trying to make sure their software is used in a way that doesn’t cause them grief or have someone using their software to resell IPTV like service on a small scale like Aereo or other pirates are doing. While it’s easy to create Plex accounts it’s not easy to setup everyone on Plex Home since it’s limited. This is most likely what Plex is banking on.

While that makes sense on the surface, it really does cause grief to a lot of Plex admins since they don’t like or want to use Plex Home.

Why not use Plex Home? Seems to work great for my family.

Some people for there own reasons don’t want to use it. It’s limited to 15 users I think. It allows a user to switch to another user unless everyone uses a PIN code which can be a pain. It makes using Plex during an internet or plex.tv outage very hard if not impossible, etc.

So there are downsides for some people.

Carlo

PS I use it as well.

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If you’re sharing live TV with friends outside of your home you are violating re-broadcasting laws, plain and simple. Plex is a business and they never intended to allow this outside of your home network to protect their business from legal battles with networks. They’re not taking away anything that was ever promised to you when you bought / subscribed to Plex Pass.

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I was using this “feature”. You can justify it however you like but this is an intentional feature regression. I love Plex so I hope they’ll reconsider. I recommend Plex to people all the time and if it’s a necessary limitation it’s necessary, but as with any missing feature, it removes use case that would otherwise allow Plex to be recommended as a platform in a new home.

Honestly my main concern is that my brothers and I went through the process of merging our logins into a close family account. My biggest problem is that they can see my DVR but I can’t see theirs. If our family is not able to share LiveTV access between us what is the point of setting up a family?

It may have been in the beginning but maybe Plex got their wrist slapped and removed it, who knows but like fudsak says its a breach of broadcasting for Plex and they just ain’t going to go there (quite right so aswell). I don’t think you will find any service similar to Plex that will allow re-broadcasting of tv channels. I subscribe to Sky UK and it allows me to play on upto 4 devices on top of my home devices but I pay a monthly subscription direct to them so thats fine. It is impossible for me to re-broadcast their programmes. I think you may as well put this request to bed. I don’t have Plex tv service but the only way I can see you getting what you want is if your are all on the same Network with possibly the same login details. If as I think you are saying they live outside your home network I can’t somehow see it happening for you. If you do find a solution (within the rules) maybe share it with us.

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It makes no sense if a) you can rebroadcast a channel just recorded b) you can rebroadcast any media in your library which undoubtedly also falls in the exact same category if not worse than live TV. Just makes no sense. Also, HD Homerun and things like that work - why not plex. But to get around it I expect you can use tvhproxy and tvheadend. I.e bypass plex at the back end - not as easy a share button though.

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HDHomeRun has a long way to go. They don’t have anything near the basic functionalities that Plex already has now and I have been a beta tester of HDHomerun DVR since the Kickstarter which happens to been about 2015. HDHR doesn’t allow playback outside of your home network easily. The HDHR DVR registration is tied to one email, one user but multiple HDHR tuner hardware. There cannot be multiple accounts or multiple users and this is where some people don’t probably understand that it most likely is a legal issue. If HDHR had a long hurdle with DRM cable content being streamed or recorded to external hardware (storage devices that are not manufactured by them), then it’s obvious that Plex too will have some initial resistance from allowing its user base of doing the same. Just because the hardware can now record DRM does not mean it’s Plex’s job to constantly be in talks with cable companies to get them to allow DRM recording. IPTV is not new but in terms of mainstream, it’s just now seeing a surge of support. However this debate of sharing tv streams should be put to rest as that this is a slippery slope for them. It’s not just a Plex thing. Other companies like TiVo have had their issues in court as well. Just because you or I believe we have the right to having streams sent out to our shared users, doesn’t make it entirely legal for Plex to do so and that’s because of local or national laws. Will this ever change, sure. Will it be today or tomorrow, most likely not. In terms of live tv streams vs. recorded content that’s then added to a library, that’s why it’s a different topic. The content is not being streamed live, but it’s recorded one time, then shared after it’s been recorded. Even though it’s stupid or doesn’t make sense, I’m sure there is some jarring reason in our laws in the U.S.A. here that prevent certain things to occur. This isn’t a USA issue either, but based on what has been observed over between a lot of the DIY DVR recording consumer products out there now, there is much more progress to be made.

Yes old media want to put borders around everything. But this is no more slippery than Plex providing a cloud server to play peoples cloud videos which they happily did and argued to me that it wasn’t a problem quite strongly. I can’t see much of a difference between providing metadata for everything to turn your library into a netflix clone and sharing it with your friends to sharing TV that everyone records and watches anyway to be honest. I really don’t. n But yet, they said no. That’s what it’s about. Plex does listen occasionally, but it takes quite an uproar and then they meet you half way. They’re a lot better than Roon in that regard. But this thread made me go look at Emby today. I havent ever wanted to (and still don’t know that I do want to), but I’ll look. Things change and kings fall and if they get too pal like with these companies, plex will fall too - or at least they may convert to some other purpose - and I’m all for that if that’s better for them. It is a business afterall. Just be a shame to lose the people that helped them get there.

Good luck then with your search.