I have my library set to Swedish and my metadata language to the same. Only logos in Swedish are showing up. Obviously they should fall back to English like all the rest of the metadata.
Is this known to you guys at Plex? It’s making the new experience look much worse.
Actually, it’s not that obvious.
There are a lot of people who get very upset if they see the “wrong” movie title (not the one under which they know the movie). Which is the reason why this particular meta datum doesn’t fall back to English.
I do not want to argue but that has to be a vocal minority. The movie titles already can be different from the movie poster etc. This is no different.
Instead, much more importantly, the result is that every non-english user barely get any logo at all. And since the new UI is based around it, it looks pretty bad.
Do you think this default behavior will change when manual selection of logos are implemented? Because at that point, people who don’t like a non matching name can just change it.
Perhaps @McWanke or @BigWheel has more information about this? I understand now that this is intentional in the current situation, but are there plans to change this as logo selection becomes available?
Theses logos are treated as titles, as that’s essentially what they are. We don’t want to show the incorrect language from the one that the library is set to.
There is a bug currently with how the “Use original titles” setting works, as that would probably be what you want to use here I assume. The setting is currently not working as intended though and I’m waiting for somebody to look into this on the provider side.
But this is not the same as “use original titles” - I’m talking about the fallback, not the default. I’m sorry if that wasn’t clear.
So I mentioned titles because as a Swedish user, the movie title will be a Swedish translated one if it exists, otherwise it will fall back to English, or the original language. This obviously can cause titles not to match what I expect, but I can change them myself. Or I can change the poster etc.
Logos don’t fall back to anything currently. I can understand it at this time, because we can’t change them, but my question is if this will change when logo selection becomes available?
I mean you’re not planning on having non English users basically be without logos entirely are you? That seems like a huge overreaction then.
As soon as there is a version of the logo tagged as Swedish, Plex will use it for a library which has been set to Swedish as the metadata language.
There will be no fallback to English logos, because that could potentially override the localized Swedish movie title, which might be already present in text form.
Consider the current inability of users to actually edit/select the logos. If a user wants 100% localized metadata, they couldn’t have that at the moment.
This. Unless there is some overwhelmingly popular feature request to make an override switch for this, I don’t see many people actually wanting this behaviour.
Which is why I’m asking if this will change when that ability is implemented.
But in the current way, 99% of movies will not have a logo then. You literally designed the new UI with logos front and center. Do you really think that approach is preferred by users? To have no logo instead of a different title for some movies? I’m sorry but that simply can not be true. You guys always talk about numbers here, and in this case the winning side has to be to at least have a logo at all. And frankly I know that this is what you guys thought as well because I used the first Android Beta app and it showed them with English fallback.
Again: I specifically ask about when users are able to switch them manually. I understand the approach at this very moment.
And further, as @dokuro points out, there are other ways around it too if we really want to get technical, but I felt that would be unnecessary personally. But the worst solution has to be to simply have no logo.
That’s a weird thing to say, what do you mean? I think of course everyone wants the new logos? I’m currently using English metadata just to see them but I would like to use my own language. Please change this.
it just selects the logo for the english version? If a user doesn’t want this or a local title exists, but just isn’t set in Plex, they can just set their own local title in Plex or TMDB.
@drzoidberg33 can you at least adress my points instead of just ignoring them? If I am wrong then debunk them. You are just looking stuck and negative about this to be honest.
Again, the new UI is built around this. It looks very good with the logo and I’m sure you worked hard on it. I looked forward to it on ATV.
I, as a user, and that’s just to say because I use English anyway, would definitely prefer to have text instead of logos in a different language. I, in fact, would prefer to have no logo at all.
And I know we are many sharing this opinion, because we are many to have expressed it already, so I don’t think it’s a reasonable and fair thing for you to say that nobody wants that, because as a matter of fact that is not true.
But this is different. What you want is no logos at all. And I agree, there should be a choice for that. But that has nothing to do with the behaviour of logos for those who want them. What I was saying is that for those who want the logos there are obviously the vast majority that would want the logo at all, even if it wasn’t localized, when we are able to switch logo anyway which is coming. And, again, just use the logo if no localized title exists if you want to be cautious about it. My point is that clearly the worst solution is no logo at all, which is the current way.
The best solution would be to have the ability to use logos as local assets, like theme music, backgrounds and posters. Then you could have them in the language you prefer - provided you can find some. There are many clearlogos in several languages in TheTVDB and in TMDB
If you don’t want a logo for certain media, you could just place a transparent clearlogo.png in the folder with your movie or TV show. But then you probably wouldn’t have the title with text.
There are a couple of Python scripts around that work really well but for portability reasons and ease of use I’d prefer local assets.
A simple “Display the logo” tick box in each movie and TV show settings would do the trick and would be rather easy to implement.
And there would be another, more global tick box for each library that would let us define if those tick boxes should be ticked by default.
That’s the most simple and elegant solution I can think of to that precise matter. It works the same as we are already used to for some other settings.
And of course we need to be able to use local assets.