Maybe I shouldn’t have compared it to new data.
The function we are looking at is to re-read embedded metadata and to re-download the data from the agent source. Then update the current Plex DB entry to reflect any “new/changed” data, but respect the current “locked” fields. This sound closer to what you are describing?
@MovieFan.Plex said:
Maybe I shouldn’t have compared it to new data.The function we are looking at is to re-read embedded metadata and to re-download the data from the agent source. Then update the current Plex DB entry to reflect any “new/changed” data, but respect the current “locked” fields. This sound closer to what you are describing?
Yes. That’s exactly it.
@MovieFan.Plex said:
Maybe I shouldn’t have compared it to new data.The function we are looking at is to re-read embedded metadata and to re-download the data from the agent source. Then update the current Plex DB entry to reflect any “new/changed” data, but respect the current “locked” fields. This sound closer to what you are describing?
This is EXACTLY what the biggest complaints with the “Dance” has been.
@MovieFan.Plex said:
Maybe I shouldn’t have compared it to new data.
The function we are looking at is to re-read embedded metadata and to re-download the data from the agent source. Then update the current Plex DB entry to reflect any "new/changed" data, but respect the current "locked" fields. This sound closer to what you are describing?
Sounds good but what would be a good name for the function?
How about “Refresh” Since this is what it does, instead of the currently named Refresh over-writing…
This is exactly what everyone thinks the current ‘Refresh’ command is supposed to do (and what the documentation says it will do), so it’s not a new function. It’s fixing an existing broken one, as noted ad nauseum. No need for a new name.
Most of the time, I do the dance, it’s because things didn’t end up the way I wanted the first time. I just want an easy do-over, so I would call it “Mulligan”. 
@astrofisher said:
Most of the time, I do the dance, it’s because things didn’t end up the way I wanted the first time. I just want an easy do-over, so I would call it “Mulligan”.
Some other Name ideas as Refresh does not refer to new data. New data is normally added by terms Save, import, update, Revise, add.
Other names:
Recreate
Restore
Renovate
Freshen
Inspirit
Repair
Remodel
Overhaul
Recondition
Refresh update
Make over
Renew
Refresh restore
Revise
My Favourite is Revise Meaning to make changes especially to correct or improve (something)
@Gdr56 hehe, you were the one that was telling everyone this was fine… And now you are offering up names if/when it gets fixed? That is TOO funny!
I honestly think “Refresh” because that is what it’s supposed to be doing. Everything else would mean an additional layer of code to support a whole new command. This is really an old command, it just needs some tweaking to make it work as expected.
@MikeG6.5 said:
@Gdr56 hehe, you were the one that was telling everyone this was fine… And now you are offering up names if/when it gets fixed? That is TOO funny!I honestly think “Refresh” because that is what it’s supposed to be doing. Everything else would mean an additional layer of code to support a whole new command. This is really an old command, it just needs some tweaking to make it work as expected.
Well it is fine"Plex Dance", but by numerous posts many agree to disagree.
As for a result read my posts again, i did state I’m happy either way. Refresh is not adding new it’s repairing what is already applied.
I was not trying to be funny but accept your opinion
Another reason to fix the bugs that lead to the Plex Dance: If you have to “dance” an album, and one or more tracks from that album are added to any playlists, the Plex Dance removes them from the playlist(s). If I just added or changed a tag, I find that completely unreasonable.
@beckfield said:
Actually, what so many people have been asking for is NOT a way to “re-add an item as if it were brand new.” What we’ve been asking for is for Plex to re-import changed metadata (whether it comes from embedded tags or online sources) the way people intuitively expect it to.
One of the posts astrofisher found:
https://forums.plex.tv/discussion/117964/reset-metadata-for-a-specific-seriesOthers:
- https://forums.plex.tv/discussion/177727/updating-id3-tags-in-music-portion
- https://forums.plex.tv/discussion/233541/refresh-doesnt-update-track-artist
- https://forums.plex.tv/discussion/241961/refresh-use-updated-file-tags
- https://forums.plex.tv/discussion/220895/cant-seem-to-force-server-to-forget-deleted-actor-tags
- https://forums.plex.tv/discussion/166068/refresh-music-library-based-on-id3-tag-changes-only
- https://forums.plex.tv/discussion/157763/refreshing-metadata-doesnt-seem-to-work
- https://forums.plex.tv/discussion/142092/refreshing-for-individual-items
- https://forums.plex.tv/discussion/160360/refreshing-updated-id3-m4a-metadata
- https://forums.plex.tv/discussion/215949/correct-tags-for-music-libraries
- https://forums.plex.tv/discussion/164659/plex-music-media-library-not-updating-after-mp3-tags-changed
- https://forums.plex.tv/discussion/160123/force-refresh-individual-items
- https://forums.plex.tv/discussion/128166/library-not-updating-after-forced-update-refresh
- https://forums.plex.tv/discussion/164907/plex-web-not-registering-changes-to-mp3-tags
- https://forums.plex.tv/discussion/168994/music-tag-changes-not-updating
- https://forums.plex.tv/discussion/206804/how-do-i-get-pms-to-recognize-metadata-for-music-files-that-was-updated-by-a-different-program
- https://forums.plex.tv/discussion/comment/1107198/#Comment_1107198
- https://forums.plex.tv/discussion/203991/how-do-i-force-pms-to-use-new-embedded-poster-from-tv-shows
- https://forums.plex.tv/discussion/comment/957923/#Comment_957923
- https://forums.plex.tv/discussion/comment/807639/#Comment_807639
- https://forums.plex.tv/discussion/185994/metadata-tag-changes-for-music-files-in-premium-plex-music-library
Here are a couple new posts by people seeing this problem:
https://forums.plex.tv/discussion/246027/plex-fails-to-update-after-updating-tags
https://forums.plex.tv/discussion/246010/refreshing-music-library-after-editing-id3-tags
Well, we had a brief discussion of this in the roundtable discussion yesterday, but I don’t think we made much headway before we abruptly switched to another topic. I’m not sure I convinced the Plex folks that this needs to be fixed, and I’m certain they didn’t convince me that it doesn’t. But I appreciate the opportunity to talk about it.
Thanks to @kinoCharlino , @elan , and the other Plexians who participated.
Personally I would think this easy to fix.
Done
@beckfield said:
Well, we had a brief discussion of this in the round table discussion yesterday, but I don’t think we made much headway before we abruptly switched to another topic. I’m not sure I convinced the Plex folks that this needs to be fixed, and I’m certain they didn’t convince me that it doesn’t. But I appreciate the opportunity to talk about it.Thanks to @kinoCharlino , @elan , and the other Plexians who participated.
Look I believe the “resolve” is in place. The issue is it is not well enough published the way to correct your Data.
With respect if a improvement of a notice in the UI to explain, that would sit well with me. I feel reassured with a solid file / folder refresh by the so called Plex dance.
@Gdr56 said:
Look I believe the “resolve” is in place. The issue is it is not well enough published the way to correct your Data.
With respect if a improvement of a notice in the UI to explain, that would sit well with me. I feel reassured with a solid file / folder refresh by the so called Plex dance.
You are free to disagree, but the issue is, as stated, the Refresh feature does not do what users intuitively expect it to do, nor what the documentation says it will do. I listed over 20 bug reports demonstrating this.
The Plex Dance is a data-destructive workaround, and therefore is insufficient. Cayars has succinctly described the correct way to fix this bug.
@beckfield said:
@Gdr56 said:
Look I believe the “resolve” is in place. The issue is it is not well enough published the way to correct your Data.
With respect if a improvement of a notice in the UI to explain, that would sit well with me. I feel reassured with a solid file / folder refresh by the so called Plex dance.
You are free to disagree, but the issue is, as stated, the Refresh feature does not do what users intuitively expect it to do, nor what the documentation says it will do. I listed over 20 bug reports demonstrating this.The Plex Dance is a data-destructive workaround, and therefore is insufficient. Cayars has succinctly described the correct way to fix this bug.
I hope Father Christmas is nice too you all, as there are many other requests on the Plex forums I believe are more needy.
Merry Xmas
@Gdr56 said:
I hope Father Christmas is nice too you all, as there are many other requests on the Plex forums I believe are more needy.
Did anyone say that this should take precedence over all other issues?
@beckfield said:
@Gdr56 said:
I hope Father Christmas is nice too you all, as there are many other requests on the Plex forums I believe are more needy.
Did anyone say that this should take precedence over all other issues?
Your “noise” is definitely slanted to a must do project. Sensitivity to your cause is heard from the top of Himalayas all the way across the Globe bouncing off the Andes then slipping across the Pacific for a rebound.
Please don’t suggest you don’t feel a death roll for the “Dance”.
As i have always been constant in the forums, “Dance” or not is cool with me.
My real priority/Xmas wish would be that Plex Server, player, Apps could be installed and work as intended on all advertised devices without issue.
Special features are a poor second, requested features mediocre third and work-a-rounds a distant Fourth.
Merry Xmas Plex Community.
I’m with @beckfield on this. I would expect a refresh to pull in any recently modified metadata. I regularly run tracks through Musicbrainz picard to update them with the latest info. I’ve never undertaken the Plex Dance because I’d rather keep the history of that track within Plex rather than creating a new entry.
The Plex Dance is something that should only be undertaken when there is an error.
